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Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
By:Bill Hamm
Date: 4/11/2011, 1:31 pm
In Response To: Re: Scarf better than butt in my test (ancient kayaker)

: That's it in a nutshell. As far as strength is concerned virtually
: all wood glues are OK; let's face it, once the glue strength
: exceeds the wood strength the question of which glue is stronger
: is pretty academic.

: The question is, what happens when the water gets to the joint. If
: you use epoxy the answer according to most authorities is -
: nothing. The bond is molecular because the epoxy resin and the
: wood resin are chemically related.

: With water-based “waterproof” glues like Titebond III - where
: the grip is provided mainly by a mechanical key within the grain
: - the answer in my experience is - once the wood gets saturated
: either the wood or the glue softens and it’s grip weakens, but
: if the joint doesn’t fail the glue regains most or all of its
: grip once the wood dries out. If you pull the boat out after
: every trip using epoxy is really just insurance. But IMHO any
: glue used on a boat should at least be claimed by the
: manufacturer to be waterproof.

: A potential problem using Titebond III (I haven't tried their other
: products) is, if it does let go - usually due to dry joint or
: clamping problems - it won't stick to its dry form and nothing
: seems to stick to it either, so the glue has to be entirely
: removed from the joint before a repair can be made, whereas
: epoxy sticks happily to epoxy.

I always use epoxy because I always have it around and am comfortable with it's use, but not everyone does.

Bill H.

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Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Noel Bennett -- 4/6/2011, 8:47 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
b stupak -- 4/6/2011, 9:23 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Kudzu/Jeff Horton -- 4/6/2011, 10:47 pm
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Noel Bennett -- 4/6/2011, 11:22 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 4/7/2011, 12:49 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Brian Nystrom -- 4/7/2011, 7:01 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Kudzu/Jeff Horton -- 4/7/2011, 8:45 am
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Mike Bielski -- 4/7/2011, 9:10 am
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Noel Bennett -- 4/7/2011, 10:22 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
George in Va -- 4/7/2011, 11:59 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Bill Hamm -- 4/7/2011, 2:09 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Justin -- 4/7/2011, 10:49 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Noel Bennett -- 4/7/2011, 11:34 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
StephenHJ -- 4/7/2011, 12:11 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Noel Bennett -- 4/7/2011, 11:50 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
StephenHJ -- 4/8/2011, 2:12 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Bill Hamm -- 4/7/2011, 2:11 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Noel Bennett -- 4/7/2011, 7:41 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Bill Hamm -- 4/7/2011, 8:17 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Noel Bennett -- 4/7/2011, 11:28 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel *PIC*
Don T -- 4/8/2011, 12:09 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Farback -- 4/21/2011, 10:03 pm
Off Topic: Fighting Fires *PIC*
Don T -- 4/22/2011, 9:00 am
Re: Off Topic: Fighting Fires
Farback -- 4/22/2011, 1:22 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Bill Hamm -- 4/8/2011, 7:45 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Noel Bennett -- 4/8/2011, 8:20 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Bill Hamm -- 4/8/2011, 9:41 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Justin -- 4/8/2011, 2:29 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Bill Hamm -- 4/8/2011, 3:30 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
StephenHJ -- 4/8/2011, 9:07 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Bill Hamm -- 4/9/2011, 4:35 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 4/9/2011, 7:26 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Bill Hamm -- 4/9/2011, 8:14 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Bill Hamm -- 4/9/2011, 8:18 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 4/9/2011, 10:10 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Bill Hamm -- 4/10/2011, 12:18 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel *PIC*
Tom Yost -- 4/7/2011, 3:44 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel *PIC*
Alan Kepler -- 4/7/2011, 4:16 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Alan Kepler -- 4/7/2011, 4:19 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Noel Bennett -- 4/7/2011, 10:43 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Justin -- 4/7/2011, 7:49 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Bill Hamm -- 4/7/2011, 8:23 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Noel Bennett -- 4/7/2011, 10:34 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: Scarfing Stringers/Gunwale/Keel
Noel Bennett -- 4/7/2011, 10:50 pm
Scarf better than butt in my test
Kocho -- 4/10/2011, 9:16 pm
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
Kocho -- 4/10/2011, 9:21 pm
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
Noel Bennett -- 4/10/2011, 10:41 pm
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
Bill Hamm -- 4/11/2011, 12:37 am
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
ancient kayaker -- 4/11/2011, 12:15 pm
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
Bill Hamm -- 4/11/2011, 1:31 pm
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
ancient kayaker -- 4/11/2011, 6:51 pm
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
Bill Hamm -- 4/12/2011, 1:13 am
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
Noel Bennett -- 4/10/2011, 10:30 pm
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test *PIC*
ancient kayaker -- 4/12/2011, 12:34 am
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
Bill Hamm -- 4/12/2011, 1:15 am
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
ancient kayaker -- 4/12/2011, 2:29 pm
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
Bill Hamm -- 4/13/2011, 12:50 am
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
ancient kayaker -- 4/13/2011, 11:17 am
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
Bill Hamm -- 4/13/2011, 1:51 pm
Re: Scarf better than butt in my test
Kirk Fredericks - Farback Carpentry and Automation -- 4/13/2011, 3:34 pm