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Infusion vs. wet lay-up
By:Sam McFadden
Date: 12/24/2008, 10:55 am

Bill,

I’m glad you enjoyed reading about the project. You are correct, the EPA concerns are one reason to use vacuum infusion, which limits worker exposure to the resin and solvents. In addition, the vacuum exhaust could be scrubbed to minimize the environmental impact to others.

Another reason to use vacuum infusion is to offer better control over the resin content. With vacuum bagged wet lay-up, it is important to control the resin in some fashion, either by careful roller/squeegee work, or the use of wet-out machines that turn the work into a “wet-preg” exercise. With vacuum infusion, the resin content is controlled by the physics of the process in a way that is more consistent, reliable, and less work than what can be achieved with vacuum bagged wet lay-ups.

Wet lay-up is less complicated, but I disagree that it’s easier, and it most definitely is more work because someone has to apply and squeegee a bunch of resin. I think one of Charlie’s cautions is that with wet lay-up, the wet-out and squeegee work is time consuming and not very forgiving. That is a valid concern. If one were to then vacuum bag a wet lay-up, there is additional time involved with getting the bag and other stuff on while the resin is kicking off, adding time to an already long and potentially hectic process. When I’m done laying a single layer of glass on a stripper, I’m ready for a break, not another layer (right Charlie?).

But if one is going to vacuum bag a wet lay-up, then the difference in the materials required for resin infusion is trivial but the timeline changes completely. With resin infusion, a single person can take as long as they like to drape the fibers, apply release cloth and flow media, seal the bag, and check for leaks. I spread this out over many evenings after work, and could walk away or be interrupted at any time without consequence. So, in many respects resin infusion simplifies the process and creates a much more forgiving timeline in addition to offering better resin control compared to wet lay-ups.

Sam

: It's pretty cool that you did it, and I'm envious that you tried.

: The normal reason though for vacuum infusion is to get around the EPA's rules
: for commercial molding. For a one off it would be an awful lot easier to
: do a wet layup and if you really wanted it light then vacuum bag it. Can
: even use high temperature epoxies and bake it without spending a fortune
: to really get it light . Still you need to build two boats to get one, and
: have a bunch of extra equipment to buy. Not exactly cost effective.

: For serial production though it can make sense. But that's just me :)

: Bill H.

Messages In This Thread

Other: Seaming a composite Sit on Top...
Andy -- 12/20/2008, 10:55 pm
Back to the seam issue
Paul G. Jacobson -- 12/26/2008, 5:31 pm
Re: Back to the seam issue
Bill Hamm -- 12/27/2008, 11:25 am
Re: Other: Seaming a composite Sit on Top...
Charlie -- 12/22/2008, 1:33 pm
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Sam McFadden -- 12/22/2008, 2:36 pm
Re: Other: Seaming a composite Sit on Top...
Charlie -- 12/22/2008, 5:08 pm
Re: Other: Seaming a composite Sit on Top... *LINK*
Sam McFadden -- 12/22/2008, 5:23 pm
Re: Other: Seaming a composite Sit on Top... *LINK*
Daniel Daniels -- 12/28/2008, 4:58 pm
Re: Other: Don't Point that Thing at Me!
Charlie -- 12/28/2008, 8:35 pm
Re: Other: Don't Point that Thing at Me!
daniel daniels -- 12/29/2008, 3:46 am
Re: Other: Seaming a composite Sit on Top...
Roy -- 12/25/2008, 10:34 am
Pumps
Sam McFadden -- 12/25/2008, 1:29 pm
Re: Pumps
Roy -- 12/25/2008, 1:55 pm
Re: Pumps *LINK*
Sam McFadden -- 12/25/2008, 10:28 pm
Re: Pumps
Roy -- 12/26/2008, 4:51 pm
I'm Amazed...
Ken Brunton -- 12/23/2008, 12:45 pm
Re: Other: Seaming a composite Sit on Top...
Bill Hamm -- 12/23/2008, 12:56 am
Re: Other: Seaming a composite Sit on Top...
Sam McFadden -- 12/23/2008, 10:15 am
Re: Other: Seaming a composite Sit on Top...
Bill Hamm -- 12/24/2008, 1:28 am
Infusion vs. wet lay-up
Sam McFadden -- 12/24/2008, 10:55 am
Re: Infusion vs. wet lay-up
Bill Hamm -- 12/25/2008, 1:06 am
Re: Infusion vs. wet lay-up
Sam McFadden -- 12/25/2008, 1:52 pm
Re: Infusion vs. wet lay-up
Bill Hamm -- 12/25/2008, 8:44 pm
Re: Infusion vs. wet lay-up
Sam McFadden -- 12/25/2008, 10:33 pm
Re: Other: Seaming a composite Sit on Top...
Charlie -- 12/22/2008, 10:44 pm
I'm a fan
Ted Henry -- 12/23/2008, 11:18 am
Thanks *NM*
Sam McFadden -- 12/24/2008, 11:45 am
Whoa! Charlie, Not so fast
Reg Lake -- 12/23/2008, 1:30 am
Re: Whoa! Charlie, Not so fast
Sam McFadden -- 12/23/2008, 10:35 am
Re: Whoa! Charlie, Not so fast
Charlie -- 12/23/2008, 8:28 am
Good intentions.
Reg Lake -- 12/23/2008, 5:16 pm
Re: Other: Seaming a composite Sit on Top... *LINK*
Sam McFadden -- 12/21/2008, 2:35 pm
Re: Other: Seaming a composite Sit on Top... *Pic*
Reg Lake -- 12/21/2008, 2:06 am
Re: Other: Seaming a composite Sit on Top...
Bill Hamm -- 12/21/2008, 1:30 am