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Re: A different POV??
By:Randy Knauff
Date: 12/10/2007, 1:21 am
In Response To: A different POV (Dave Gentry)

: Talk is cheap about perceived advantages, but think about this: Not one
: person is winning Olympic kayak races with unfeathered or Greenland
: paddles. Feathered (wing) paddles are de rigueur, because they are THE
: most efficient for the forward stroke.
: As for quick and/or unexpected bracing, well, what do whitewater paddlers
: use? They use feathered paddles. Whitewater kayaking regularly requires
: vastly more bracing than sea kayaking - try it and see. Feathered paddles
: aren't at ANY disadvantage.

When the wind is from the front advantage to feathered.
When the wind is from the right side advantage to unfeathered.
When the wind is from the left side advantage to unfeathered.
When the wind is from the back advantage to unfeathered.
Biomechanically less likely to cause repetitive stressd injury = unfeathered.
Straight wrist push is physically stronger for the average paddler = unfeathered.
Easier to brace across another deck for rafting and/or standard rescues + unfeathered.
Fits kayak deck contour better for standard paddle float reentry = unfeathered.
Off side blade clears kayak hull more easily during high sculling brace = unfeathered.
Off side blade clears kayak hull more easily during roll = unfeathered.
Consistant blade position for faster braces on either side for average paddler = unfeathered.

Years ago white water kayakers all used 90 degree feathers, now you can hardly find one and many have dropped to 75, the 60, now 45 and they will continue toward 30-20, etc as they see no advantage.
One advantage for WW paddlers using feathered was to clear racing gates better in competition, not for wind or bracing. The very top conditioned flat water racers can benefit from feathered even on calm days. Not the rest of us though.

If I was an mpic caliber racer or even a hihly conditioned amateur who raced, I'd go feathered wing. For the great majority of paddlers who don't have that condition level and are paddling for longer periods and in more varied conditions the feathered seems to have more advantges.
If someone asked you to crank your wrist back and forth for hours in a car ride for no apparent advantage, you might not agree to do it. In a head wind and at a small angle if it feels best biomechanically for your particular body, do it.
Wind tunnel tests have shown that usually under 60 degrees feather, as much energy is spent controlling the upper blade's lift and wobble as is saved from pushing less headwind.
Count the plusses and minusses and enjoy which ever you choose.
Randy

Messages In This Thread

Paddle: Feathered vs Unfeathered
Greg Clopton -- 12/9/2007, 9:41 pm
build & try both
ChuckS -- 12/10/2007, 11:25 pm
Re: Paddle: Feathered vs Unfeathered
Dave Houser -- 12/10/2007, 8:17 pm
Re: Paddle: Feathered vs Unfeathered
Bryan Hansel -- 12/10/2007, 11:20 am
Re: Paddle: Feathered vs Unfeathered
Bill Hamm -- 12/11/2007, 2:28 am
Re: Paddle: Feathered vs Unfeathered
Gordon Masor -- 12/11/2007, 12:13 am
Hijack!
Dave Gentry -- 12/11/2007, 11:29 am
Re: Hijack!
Alex Ferguson -- 12/11/2007, 4:54 pm
ad nauseam
Dave Gentry -- 12/11/2007, 7:00 pm
Re: ad nauseam
Gordon Masor -- 12/12/2007, 2:53 am
Re: ad nauseam
Bill Hamm -- 12/17/2007, 2:07 am
Historical POV
Reg Lake -- 12/11/2007, 6:20 pm
Re: Hijack!
Mike Savage -- 12/11/2007, 1:48 pm
Re: Hijack!
Dave Gentry -- 12/11/2007, 3:14 pm
Re: Paddle: Feathered vs Unfeathered
Kris Buttermore -- 12/10/2007, 1:21 pm
Re: Paddle: Feathered vs Unfeathered
Mike Scarborough -- 12/10/2007, 10:25 am
Re: Paddle: Feathered vs Unfeathered
JohnK -- 12/10/2007, 4:59 pm
Kinesiology
Pedro Almeida -- 12/10/2007, 9:29 am
Re: Kinesiology
eric -- 12/10/2007, 9:45 pm
Re: Kinesiology
TOM RAYMOND -- 12/10/2007, 10:17 am
Re: Kinesiology
Mike Savage -- 12/10/2007, 10:41 am
Re: Kinesiology
TOM RAYMOND -- 12/10/2007, 11:48 am
Re: Kinesiology
Mike Savage -- 12/10/2007, 3:17 pm
another example
Pedro Almeida -- 12/10/2007, 9:47 am
Re: Paddle: Feathered vs Unfeathered
fred Gasper -- 12/10/2007, 8:51 am
Re: Paddle: Feathered vs Unfeathered
Mike Savage -- 12/10/2007, 6:18 am
Re: Paddle: Feathered vs Unfeathered
Bill Hamm -- 12/10/2007, 3:41 am
Re: Paddle: Feathered vs Unfeathered
JohnK -- 12/10/2007, 2:59 am
A different POV
Dave Gentry -- 12/9/2007, 11:26 pm
Re: A different POV??
Randy Knauff -- 12/10/2007, 1:21 am
Feathering advantage is real
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 12/10/2007, 11:28 am
Re: Feathering advantage is real
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon------WebKitFormBoundaryU -- 12/11/2007, 11:44 am
Re: Feathering advantage is real
Kris Buttermore -- 12/19/2007, 1:59 pm
Not either/or but appropriate both
Randy Knauff -- 12/10/2007, 4:05 pm
Re: Not either/or but appropriate both
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 12/10/2007, 7:30 pm
Yes, a different POV
Dave Gentry -- 12/10/2007, 3:31 am
Question
Jay Babna -- 12/10/2007, 8:39 am
Re: Question
Bill Hamm -- 12/12/2007, 1:46 am
Re: Question
Dave Gentry -- 12/10/2007, 1:50 pm
The Whitewater Perspective------WebKitFormBoundary *LINK*
GlazedDonut------WebKitFormBoundaryCg1JNknuAcMS+s6 -- 12/10/2007, 10:30 pm
Re: The Whitewater Perspective------WebKitFormBoun
Dave Gentry -- 12/10/2007, 11:49 pm
Re: The Whitewater Perspective------WebKitFormBoun
Duane Strosaker -- 12/10/2007, 11:45 pm
Re: Question------WebKitFormBoundaryJred+soBaAm3Im
Jay Babna------WebKitFormBoundaryJred+soBaAm3Imqe -- 12/10/2007, 3:15 pm
Re: Question------WebKitFormBoundaryJred+soBaAm3Im
Kris Buttermore -- 12/10/2007, 4:20 pm
Re: Question------WebKitFormBoundaryJred+soBaAm3Im
Mike Savage -- 12/10/2007, 5:28 pm
Well...
Pedro Almeida -- 12/10/2007, 8:47 am