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Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
By:Bill Hamm
Date: 3/24/2008, 1:33 am
In Response To: Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest! (Mike Bielski)

: Hi All-

: I claim responsibility, I guess, for building the hornet's nest last week.

: I can't argue with Rob at all, in the least. He has shown his ability to use
: his system flawlessly. But, it doesn't mean that other systems won't work.
: Using sandpaper improperly or with poor technique can cause many of the
: same problems attributed to using planes, and faster if you're using power
: tools. The point for everyone is to find the combination that works for
: you personally. I still think that it's a matter of personal taste. Some
: people are better with sanders, and some people are better with planes.

: If you go to a museum you will see the absolute most amazing cabinetry you
: have ever seen in your life, things that haven't been built that well in
: 200 or more years and probably couldn't be duplicated today, and they were
: produced without power tools of any kind, let alone sanders or sand paper.
: Even the multitude of curved pieces. Building curves was a way to show you
: had mad skills.

: I use a range of planes and spokeshaves, and even the occasional carving
: gouge. I don't want anyone to have the impression that I do everything
: with one plane, or even that you can. Also- I couldn't make it work
: without sandpaper, either. Part of the issue, I'm sure, is that planes
: don't work unless they're ultra-sharp, and sharpening is a skill that
: takes more than casual practice so it's hard to do if you don't do all it
: of the time.

: And what's the deal with glue? Scrapers are for glue! If you guys are
: cleaning up glue slop with planes get better glue or clean up as you go!
: :)

: m

Hi Mike,

Trying to stay out of this, at least for awile :)

I agree, cabinet scrapers work better on a hull, to me at least, since you can shape it to match the surface ie: rounded like the hull.

I know Rob's method works for Rob, not sure it's going to work for the average guy awfully well though, it's really easy to make a whole bunch of flat spots on a rounded surface like a kayak hull with a ROS. For a truely fair surface nothing beats a longboard. The problem is you don't see results quickly and that bothers begining builders, it's a fairly slow process that happens to have a much better result for nearly everyone if they take the time to do it correctly.

If you want to be in a hurry, don't expect perfect results.

Bill H.

Messages In This Thread

Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 3/21/2008, 1:51 pm
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Acors -- 3/25/2008, 3:14 am
Re: Tools: Waterboarding and ....
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 3/25/2008, 2:24 pm
Re: Tools: Waterboarding and ....
Bill Hamm -- 3/26/2008, 1:14 am
Re: Tools: Waterboarding and ....
Mike Bielski -- 3/25/2008, 6:25 pm
Re: Tools: Waterboarding and ....
Glen Smith -- 3/25/2008, 4:05 pm
Re: Tools: Waterboarding and ....
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 3/25/2008, 5:42 pm
Re: Tools: Waterboarding and ....
PatrickC -- 4/1/2008, 10:01 am
Re: Tools: Waterboarding and ....
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 4/2/2008, 7:33 pm
:)
kelly t -- 4/2/2008, 9:15 pm
Re: :) :) :) (:
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 4/3/2008, 8:01 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Mike Bielski -- 3/25/2008, 11:22 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Todd Sullivan -- 3/25/2008, 9:32 pm
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!------WebKi
Jay Babina------WebKitFormBoundaryAF6vd4C7eld+PENR -- 3/25/2008, 8:51 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Mike Bielski -- 3/23/2008, 12:35 pm
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Bill Hamm -- 3/24/2008, 1:33 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 3/24/2008, 11:40 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 3/24/2008, 8:29 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Bill Hamm -- 3/25/2008, 1:22 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 3/25/2008, 2:41 pm
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Mike Bielski -- 3/25/2008, 6:06 pm
Sanding is Skill Free?
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- 3/25/2008, 5:59 pm
Re: Sanding is Skill Free?
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 3/25/2008, 10:54 pm
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Mike Savage -- 3/24/2008, 10:01 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 3/23/2008, 5:47 pm
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 3/23/2008, 4:03 pm
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Mike Savage -- 3/23/2008, 12:57 pm
Glue
Todd Sullivan -- 3/23/2008, 9:06 pm
Re: Glue
Mike Bielski -- 3/24/2008, 12:06 pm
Re: Glue
Todd Sullivan -- 3/24/2008, 9:48 pm
Re: Glue------WebKitFormBoundaryVBozkArD+XRe82MN
Mike Bielski------WebKitFormBoundaryVBozkArD+XRe82 -- 3/25/2008, 11:15 am
Re: Glue
Bill Hamm -- 3/25/2008, 1:18 am
Re: Glue *Pic*
Etienne Muller -- 3/24/2008, 11:21 am
Re: Glue
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 3/24/2008, 11:26 am
Re: No access...
Björn Thomasson -- 3/25/2008, 12:30 pm
Re: No access... *LINK*
Dan Caouette (CSFW) -- 3/25/2008, 1:18 pm
Re: No access...
Björn Thomasson -- 3/26/2008, 4:21 pm
Re: No access... *LINK*
Glen Smith -- 3/25/2008, 12:48 pm
Re: Glue
Etienne Muller -- 3/24/2008, 11:38 am
Re: Glue
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 3/24/2008, 12:48 pm
Re: Glue
Etienne Muller -- 3/24/2008, 2:02 pm
Re: Glue
Mike Savage -- 3/24/2008, 9:16 pm
Re: Glue------WebKitFormBoundaryAJKY9jM9qs+BHftt
Dan Caouette (CSFW)------WebKitFormBoundaryAJKY9jM -- 3/24/2008, 11:47 am
Re: Glue
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 3/24/2008, 8:34 am
Re: Glue
Mike Savage -- 3/24/2008, 6:47 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
C.W. -- 3/22/2008, 8:51 pm
Re: Stung,
Paul Sylvester -- 3/23/2008, 7:00 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest! *NM*
C.W. -- 3/22/2008, 8:26 pm
Still waiting for Spring to come?
Mike Scarborough -- 3/22/2008, 9:22 am
Re: Still waiting for Spring to come?
Etienne Muller -- 3/23/2008, 7:44 am
Re: Still waiting for Spring to come?
Doug Smith -- 3/22/2008, 3:38 pm
Re: Good Advice *LINK*
Pawistik -- 3/22/2008, 12:40 pm
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Rob Macks / Laughing Loon CC&K -- 3/21/2008, 2:13 pm
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Todd Sullivan -- 3/21/2008, 7:10 pm
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Jay Babina -- 3/23/2008, 7:41 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest! *NM* *LINK*
Barry -- 3/29/2008, 6:54 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Todd Sullivan -- 3/23/2008, 10:32 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Mike Savage -- 3/23/2008, 7:59 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Etienne Muller -- 3/23/2008, 7:29 am
Re: Tools: I'll wack the hornet's nest!
Todd Sullivan -- 3/23/2008, 9:15 pm