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Re: Strip: Glass-free stripper
By:Ancient Kayaker
Date: 10/24/2010, 7:30 pm
In Response To: Re: Strip: Glass-free stripper (Etienne Muller)

Thanks for all the inputs. Not enough time to respond to all but here are some specifics.

Charlie: good point about staying in the mold until the ribs are in. Should be possible to do that with an open mold.

Dave: I think wider spaced ribs would have to be thicker and therefore steamed; I was hoping to avoid that. The point about wood movement is a good one though: I think it is going to be like plywood - provided the expansion is distributed evenly shouldn’t be a problem. After all, the riveted/nailed canoes lasted for years.

Bill (and others): I have no plan to use nails! No way! All those “old-timers” would have killed for epoxy! My 12 footer weighed 22 lb, I was disappointed as I was aiming at below 20 but I forgot to allow for the weight of the seat.

Glen: thanks for link to a nice boat: that is more or less the result I am aiming for although I would want to lose all the nails! The images looked like ½ sq softwood ribs on about 3" centers or 1/6 of length. If stiffness is the issue that suggests for the the same I would need ½ * cuberoot (1/6) or about 1/4" over the entire inside surface. For the same cantilever strength it would be ½ * squareroot (1/6) or about 0.2" over the entire inside surface. For the same simple tensile strength ½* (1/6) or 0.083" (2 mm) over the entire inside surface. That is much more than I expected even with the hardwood ribs I was planning for; also more than the regular core veneer provides in plywood boats which work OK. I can probably go thinner or less ribs but I think I would be breaking new ground with all the risks entailed.

Brian: you are correct, but I am exploring what it would take to make a boat that is “all-wood” as far as is practical.

Etienne: may be the way to go, I would not use cedar for a cold-molded hull of course, something harder except for the core. Not sure I want to go to that much trouble though.

Messages In This Thread

Strip: Glass-free stripper
Ancient Kayaker -- 10/22/2010, 10:07 pm
Re: Strip: Glass-free stripper
Etienne Muller -- 10/24/2010, 5:24 am
Re: Strip: Glass-free stripper
Ancient Kayaker -- 10/24/2010, 7:30 pm
Glass does more than that
Brian Nystrom -- 10/23/2010, 1:02 pm
Re: Strip: Glass-free stripper
Glen Smith -- 10/23/2010, 12:28 pm
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Charlie -- 10/23/2010, 1:55 pm
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Mike Savage -- 10/23/2010, 7:25 am
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Paul Montgomery -- 10/23/2010, 8:31 am
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Mike Bielski -- 10/23/2010, 2:44 am
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Dave Gentry -- 10/22/2010, 11:16 pm
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Charlie -- 10/23/2010, 12:04 am
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Bill Hamm -- 10/23/2010, 1:16 am
Re: Strip: Glass-free stripper
Charlie -- 10/22/2010, 11:06 pm