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Re: S&G: Importing models into FreeShip
By:mike allen
Date: 12/2/2007, 4:09 pm

: Actually when importing chines, the FreeShip generated curves that
: approximate them are actually chines (crease edges, I mean). So the S&G
: nature is preserved that way, however there are some curves that are
: fitted poorly especially near the razor sharp chine and stern. The model
: check tells me I have leak points. When importing chines the docmentation
: does not explain if the chines have to go all the way from aft to front or
: over smaller sections. For modeling the cockpit for instance, importing
: lines that follow the chines all the way from aft to front around the
: cockpit inevitably leads to unwanted interpolations.

: So it is not really all that bad but I still end up spending lots of time
: guessing about the smarts of FreeShip and still ending up with poor
: interpolations and model errors.

: The original model really does not have that much data: here it is, all
: coordinates in mm starting with a 15' x 28.75" basic model,
: interpolated, stretched and rockered with a few simple commands to the
: final model
: (http://members.cox.net/aling13/kayak/build/fall_2007/combinedView.JPG):
: data = [
: // y, x1, z1, x2, z2, x3, z3, x4, z4, x5, z5;

: 0, -100, 310, -101, 0, -101, 0, -105, 0, -100, 310;

: 250, 0, 155, -1, 0, 48, 280, -5, 0, 0, 300;

: 500, -100, 0, -101, 45, 95, 250, -5, 0, 0, 290;

: 750, 0, 0, 70, 80, 145, 215, -5, 0, 0, 280;
: 1000, 0, 0, 120, 90, 195, 190, -105, 0, 0, 270;
: 1250, 0, 0, 180, 80, 250, 165, 100, 250, 0, 270;
: 1500, 0, 0, 220, 70, 295, 155, 190, 240, 0, 270;
: 1750, 0, 0, 255, 60, 325, 150, 250, 230, 0, 260;
: 1875, 0, 0, 270, 50, 340, 145, 270, 230, -100, 250;
: 2000, 0, 0, 280, 50, 350, 145, 280, 230, -4, 0;
: 2250, 0, 0, 290, 50, 360, 145, 300, 230, -4, 0;
: 2500, 0, 0, 270, 50, 350, 150, 280, 240, -100, 330;
: 2750, 0, 0, 245, 70, 330, 155, 260, 250, 0, 330;
: 3000, 0, 0, 210, 90, 295, 165, 230, 260, 0, 330;
: 3250, 0, 0, 160, 90, 235, 185, 150, 270, 0, 320;
: 3500, 0, 0, 115, 80, 185, 210, 80, 290, 0, 310;
: 3750, 0, 0, 65, 60, 140, 240, -105, 0, 0, 310;
: 4000, -100, 5, -101, 40, 90, 280, -5, 0, 0, 320;
: 4595, -100, 370, -101, 0, -101, 0, -105, 0, -100, 370
: ];

: The negative X coordinates indicate references to other lines (duplicates
: where lines join, another added -100 indicates a line dertivative
: discontinuity. Only 155 data points and some negative numbers that define
: the topology.

: The problems with importing chines in FreeShip are with the topology (the
: negative X numbers in the above matrix). How do I tell FreeShip to
: interpolate exactly from here to there.

: Well I could go with the FreeShip approximation that I have since I don't
: expect exact answers from the hydrodynamics anyway, I just don't know how
: bad the model errors (leaks) are for the results. Could the model sink
: with too many leaks ;-) ? I went overboard already, I think.

don't quite know with your topology, but the manual does state that it draws b-splines betw the pts you give. if it's a chine model, you can check w/ the 2 inputs of model vs markers.

leak points are a snap - use check model, and just fix the ones (usually there is a y value of .00xyx that you just change to 0 - and just change the ones that are at a lower z (height) value than the draft you are doing the hydrostatics on. this'll take less than 5 minutes if you're slow!!

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S&G: Importing models into FreeShip
HenkA -- 12/2/2007, 3:02 am
Re: S&G: Importing models into FreeShip *LINK* *Pic*
Bryan Hansel -- 12/6/2007, 11:12 pm
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HenkA -- 12/7/2007, 11:53 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 12/7/2007, 9:00 pm
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Toni V -- 12/7/2007, 1:21 pm
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Acors -- 12/3/2007, 10:48 am
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HenkA -- 12/6/2007, 8:55 pm
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Acors -- 12/7/2007, 9:55 am
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HenkA -- 12/7/2007, 12:13 pm
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Acors -- 12/7/2007, 8:39 pm
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HenkA -- 12/9/2007, 2:28 pm
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AaronH -- 12/7/2007, 10:23 am
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Acors -- 12/7/2007, 8:31 pm
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AaronH -- 12/5/2007, 3:18 pm
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Acors -- 12/6/2007, 11:48 am
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AaronH -- 12/6/2007, 2:55 pm
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Acors -- 12/7/2007, 9:29 am
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HenkA -- 12/3/2007, 4:07 pm
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Acors -- 12/4/2007, 2:27 pm
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HenkA -- 12/7/2007, 12:08 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 12/2/2007, 4:27 pm
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HenkA -- 12/2/2007, 6:20 pm
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HenkA -- 12/2/2007, 10:06 pm
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Toni V -- 12/3/2007, 2:24 am
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HenkA -- 12/3/2007, 10:03 pm
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Kris Buttermore -- 12/4/2007, 5:27 pm
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HenkA -- 12/4/2007, 6:25 pm
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Kris Buttermore -- 12/5/2007, 12:12 pm
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HenkA -- 12/6/2007, 3:14 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 12/6/2007, 9:56 pm
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Kris Buttermore -- 12/6/2007, 11:21 am
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Robert McMurray -- 12/5/2007, 3:14 pm
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Kris Buttermore -- 12/5/2007, 4:59 pm
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HenkA -- 12/6/2007, 3:20 am
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Kris Buttermore -- 12/6/2007, 10:02 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 12/5/2007, 1:17 pm
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Toni V -- 12/5/2007, 1:48 pm
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Kris Buttermore -- 12/5/2007, 5:21 pm
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Toni V -- 12/6/2007, 4:07 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 12/6/2007, 10:24 pm
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Toni V -- 12/7/2007, 5:35 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 12/7/2007, 9:10 pm
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Kris Buttermore -- 12/6/2007, 9:49 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 12/5/2007, 2:17 pm
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TOM RAYMOND -- 12/5/2007, 2:31 pm
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Bryan Hansel -- 12/3/2007, 10:22 am
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Toni V -- 12/3/2007, 11:18 am
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HenkA -- 12/3/2007, 3:55 pm
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HenkA -- 12/3/2007, 3:43 am
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Toni V -- 12/3/2007, 7:05 am
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Bryan Hansel -- 12/2/2007, 10:31 pm
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HenkA -- 12/2/2007, 10:41 pm
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Toni V -- 12/2/2007, 5:47 am
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HenkA -- 12/2/2007, 2:23 pm
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Toni V -- 12/2/2007, 3:36 pm
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mike allen -- 12/2/2007, 5:04 am
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HenkA -- 12/2/2007, 3:16 pm
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mike allen -- 12/2/2007, 4:09 pm
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HenkA -- 12/2/2007, 2:16 pm
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mike allen -- 12/2/2007, 3:52 pm
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mike allen -- 12/2/2007, 5:12 am
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HenkA -- 12/2/2007, 2:07 pm
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mike allen -- 12/2/2007, 4:03 pm