: In an attempt to move the wannabee kayak designers from the building board to
: the the kayak design board, I have posted the following response to a
: flame post by Brian Nystrom.

I do have to agree that the Ply layup discussions/Engineering rational would be better served on the design board.

: It remains to be seen as to whether the "3 georges (3g)" or the
: Building Board will win. As for me, I would like to talk about building
: techniques, how to properly build our kayak projects, and have fun in the
: process. There is a lot of experience available from all the posters here,
: and we should be sharing it openly, as we have in the past. Kayak building
: is a very fun-filled woodworking project, and I REALLY dislike the
: subjective, unproven, unsubstantiated design debates presently forced on
: this forum by 3g. They are a distraction to the fundamental purpose of
: this board and would better be aired in the design forum - - I don't
: fricken care what any of the 3g has to say about designing with 2.6oz
: satin weave cloth and 1/8" strips, as it doesn't affect kayak
: building in the real world.

I was just interested in exploring the analysis of different plies to see if there is another layup that would be as good or better than the (2) 6oz cloth. I was trying to keep an open mind. I was not talking about thinning the strips. Like I said in a post a long time ago (in your pre-retirement days :-0), if you keep thinning down the strips until they no longer exist, you end up with a fiberglass boat. Fiberglass boats are heavier than strip builts. Besides, after sanding down all of my oop's anyway, I'm probably getting thinner than 3/16 anyway. My discussion had to do with using more plies of thinner cloth to get the same strength.

: And as to your "Nibbling at the Crow" post, Forget It! Your
: Guillemot Triple, both design and construction, is so far above what the
: would-be detractors could produce, it is downright laughable. Most of us
: Newby's, including myself, DROOL over the fine floating furniture you are
: creating, especially considering your stapleless construction - - You are
: a true woodworker, a real "Norm" in my book - - And don't ever
: take a back seat to any of these 3g @ssholes again. If they could do what
: you are doing, they would be doing it, and not looking for quick claims to
: fame with 1/8" ply - Instead of working with 1/4" strips of
: cedar . . .

Sorry, no back seat. I was "Nibbling Crow" because I stated that I thought 3 plies of 3oz would be as good as 2 plies of 6oz without doing any analysis. At least I did state there was no analysis, but the more I thought about it the more I figured that it would come up short. I guess I was just trying to retract that statement only, not take a back seat to anyone.

Dale