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Re: Skin-on-Frame: gunwale scarfs
By:ancient kayaker
Date: 6/29/2013, 4:07 pm
In Response To: Re: Skin-on-Frame: gunwale scarfs (Bill Hamm)

The question of scarf ratio often comes up in discussions. I did some math and concluded the minimum ratio was a hair longer than 3:1 for typical woods, assuming the glue bond is as strong as the wood. I don't recall the precise formula but it is roughly sqrt(A/B)) where A is the tensile strength of the wood along the grain and B is ditto across the grain.

I made and tested several 4:1 scarf jonts which did not fail when the test pieces were broken across the joint. I had a 4:1 joint fail on a bend; the glue was starved and it has held up since being reglued. However, such short ratios can have problems:

demands greater cutting acuracy and care when gluing
water penetration into the end of the joint can start separation on a sharp bend
gluing is more difficult as the pieces tend to slide apart when clamped
glue can be absorbed by woods with open grain cut at a coarse angle
some woods are harder to glue well (oily, dense grain)
there is no safety margin

So 6:1 is a practical minimum and as Bill says, use a longer joint on a bend. I would go 8:1 underwater on a boat used for long trips.

The longer scarfs recommended in old literature (12:1, 16:1 or even 20:1) predate the advent of modern glues and are unnecessary these days as well as wasteful of material.

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Skin-on-Frame: gunwhale scarfs
Gaidheal -- 6/23/2013, 7:43 pm
Re: Skin-on-Frame: gunwhale scarfs
ancient kayaker -- 6/23/2013, 11:58 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 6/24/2013, 2:45 am
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Gaidheal -- 6/24/2013, 4:47 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 6/27/2013, 6:52 pm
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Gaidheal -- 6/27/2013, 9:36 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 6/27/2013, 9:50 pm
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Gaidheal -- 6/27/2013, 10:11 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 6/28/2013, 7:56 am
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Gaidheal -- 6/28/2013, 8:00 am
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ancient kayaker -- 6/28/2013, 7:38 pm
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Gaidheal -- 6/28/2013, 7:54 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 6/29/2013, 11:59 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 6/30/2013, 12:01 am
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Marc Upchurch -- 6/30/2013, 12:10 am
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Marc Upchurch -- 6/30/2013, 12:13 am
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Bill Hamm -- 6/30/2013, 3:10 am
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Marc Upchurch -- 6/30/2013, 8:12 am
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Bill Hamm -- 6/30/2013, 9:14 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: gunwale scarfs
Marc Upchurch -- 6/27/2013, 9:52 pm
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Gaidheal -- 6/27/2013, 10:07 pm
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Marc Upchurch -- 6/28/2013, 7:51 am
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Gaidheal -- 6/28/2013, 7:58 am
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Bill Hamm -- 7/1/2013, 1:27 am
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Stephen Barney -- 7/1/2013, 8:59 am
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Gaidheal -- 7/2/2013, 4:07 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 6/29/2013, 10:12 am
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ancient kayaker -- 6/29/2013, 4:07 pm
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Bill Hamm -- 6/30/2013, 3:11 am
Re: Skin-on-Frame: gunwale scarfs
Gaidheal -- 6/30/2013, 5:56 pm