Hi, sorry for the funny description of the holder downer thingie widgets, but lots of people call them different things. I am looking for a source for stainless steel loopy jobbers to go on top of my kayak. I have a Perception Carolina, and it has these worthless plastic things that (supposedly) hold down bungee ropes for holding cargo. I have found them to be utterly ridiculous, as you try to put something under them, and the bungee rope falls out, every time. I would go to a marina, but they were wanting about $2 a piece for them, and I need about fifteen to twenty. Not a good way to spend $40 bucks if you know what I mean. If you have a jeep, you would call them footman loops, it is the loop type thing found on your windshield frame on the inside, above the rear view mirror, but I need one that is not as long, and a touch taller. If anyone knows where I might find something like this, please email me! thank you In advance!! Michael