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Re: Painting a plywood/canvas kayak
By:Paul G. Jacobson
Date: 5/1/2000, 5:23 pm
In Response To: Painting a plywood/canvas kayak (Gene Bowley)

: My first question is this sufficient water proofing? What kind of primer
: should be used? Oil or latex. I was planning to use a an Oil based primer
: suited for a latex top coat.

: I thought about using some bondo to transition the fabric edges to the wood
: for a nicer appearance. I've not used bondo before, is it flexible enough
: to resist cracking chiping or would there be a better material for this
: pupose.

I'm using a rubber roofing material instead of paint. It is latex (natural?rubber) based and cleans up with water, but when allowed to cure in the sun becomes a very tough, waterproof which is suposed to last for 20 years on roofs -- so I guess it is not only very resistant to cracking, but also highly resistant to UV. There are several similar products on the market sold under the names of Sno Cote, Snow Coat, Sno White, Snow Roof, etc. Look for an elastomeric roofing material. I think I paid about $20 a gallon, which is more than what cheap latex house paint sells for, but still in the neighborhood of exterior oil paints. There is a similar material that is black which one of the contributors to this board used as a base coat on his kayak. I'm just using the white stuff without an extra base.

I was painting some trim parts for the inside on my kayak with a polyurethane topside marine enamel and, since it was also white I spread some over a section of the well cured sno-cote covered hull. Write back to me in a year or two and I'll let you know how durable that has been. So far it seems to be bonding very nicely, and the polyurethane gives the fabric a beautiful shine.

Oil based paints have been the traditional coatings for canvas boats. The oil soaks into the fabric so you just have to apply the paint from one side. Hint, working from the outside will be easier . The basics of oil paints are these: Linseed oil will coagulate and harden when allowed to oxidize and dry. (Chemists call this polymerization) Heat and some chemicals ( called driers or drying agents) can speed up the process. Oil paint is a mixture of this oil, a thinner (which evaporates) and a pigment which givesw tha pint its color. Some paints also have fillers -- cheap and relatively inert materials that give the paint some body and may help to stretch out a relatively expensive pigment material. For example, common chalk may be ground up and added to white paint instead of using a lot Titanium Dioxide as the white pigment. Chalk is a lot cheaper. while such a combination might make a "cheap" house paint, it is actually supposed to be a good thing for kayaks, ans the additional chalk, while not doing much for the color, helps to fill in the weave of the canvas material, and make it smoother. In his book on canvas covered boats, George Putz recommends adding additional chalk to the paint as a filler for the first coat for that reason. He also recommends adding a fungicide, but I can't remember how much. ( I didn't add a fungicide to my roof coating and I'm seeing some stains that could be fungus -- next time I'll know.)

Latex paints should be fine, too. Oil based paints have a reputation for being more flexible when they dry, and the roofing material I used is incredibly flexible when cured.

The thicker the paint the better the waterproofing, but apply thin layers over a long period of time. A fresh coat of paint each year at the start, or end, of the season is nice. It seals the pinholes and minor cracks that give slow leaks, and builds up a smooth finihs that hides the woven nature of the fabric.

Don't worry about using Bondo to hide the edges of the fabric, and don't rush things. Next year, or the year after, after you have a few layers of paint on the boat, the paint film will be hard and dry, and thick enough to sand smmoth.

Hope this helps.

Paul G. Jacobson

: Any insights would be appreciated, especially if it can help prevent a bad
: judgement call on painting approach.

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Painting a plywood/canvas kayak
Gene Bowley -- 5/1/2000, 1:26 pm
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Mike Hanks -- 5/2/2000, 8:20 pm
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Tony -- 5/3/2000, 7:09 pm
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Paul G. Jacobson -- 5/3/2000, 11:30 pm
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Tony -- 5/5/2000, 4:41 pm
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Paul G. Jacobson -- 5/6/2000, 10:26 am
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Kelly Trehearne -- 5/7/2000, 9:31 am
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Mike Hanks -- 5/8/2000, 12:24 am
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Paul G. Jacobson -- 5/7/2000, 9:58 am
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Mike Hanks -- 5/3/2000, 10:04 pm
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Gene Bowley -- 5/3/2000, 9:40 am
Re: Painting a plywood/canvas kayak
Paul G. Jacobson -- 5/1/2000, 5:23 pm
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tony -- 5/1/2000, 8:23 pm
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Paul G. Jacobson -- 5/2/2000, 9:39 pm
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Gene Bowley -- 5/3/2000, 9:44 am
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Ken Finger -- 5/1/2000, 3:36 pm
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Dean Trexel -- 5/1/2000, 1:38 pm
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Gene Bowley -- 5/2/2000, 9:58 am
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Greg Hicks -- 5/1/2000, 3:00 pm