no offense,but I kind of like Joe Greenley's pictures more. Actually it was great talking to these two , he has a plastic Necky and she's got a big plastic Dagger. He wants less boat to carry and she wants a boat that's easier to control. He's dreaming,she's solving. I love it. it may look like packing boxes but it's really kayak counseling, 5cents please, you get more with that extra 3 cents. ps. a large stack of minicell smells a little like grape soda