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Re: who's got the ball

Posted By: Ed Valley
Date: Monday, 4 October 1999, at 1:22 p.m.

In Response To: Re: who's got the ball (Ian Johnston)

> I think that eventually we will be regulated.

Heaven won't Forbid, but minimize, pleeeeeease?

> If I am out on the ocean and get myself into trouble, it is my
> responsibility to get out of it. No debate.

Yup, no debate.

> My answere is this. Take responsibility for yourself. That is how we stop
> regulations.

To quote Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

I am certain we can, and will do so because of and in spite of lawsuits, good and bad. Your point, Ian, is the best practical advice I can conceive of. Take responsibilty for yourself. Although I fear that responsibility by itself will not stop regulations, I think there are other, more desirable direct effects from such behaviour.

1 -- Paddling and preparing responsibly, (maybe not the same as "being responsible") diminishes the risk of bad things happening and diminishes the negative impact of those that do happen.

2 -- Being seen "being responsible" in this way on and off the water generates more responsibility in other kayakers, just as more frivilous lawsuits encourage more frivilous lawsuits. As a father, I try to demonstrate good water safety habits to my kids. I try to nurture their growing set of self reliance skills, and their sense of personal responsibility.

By extension, I teach all those around me about _my_ kayaking habits, and I hope the good ones are the ones that are remembered. Interestingly, I, too, learn from those around me, especially the members of this community that breathe life into these boards. I don't think that it is possible or desirable to have an error free kayaking experience. I forget who said "That which causes pain, also instructs". It's really more important and useful to have mistakes that are recoverable.

> A blind snake and a blind rabbit bump into each other. The snake says....

I am curious to hear the rest of this one...

-- Ed Valley

Messages In This Thread

Quadra Island Trip Observations
Byron Lawrence -- Wednesday, 29 September 1999, at 11:15 a.m.
Re: Quadra Island Trip Observations
lee -- Wednesday, 29 September 1999, at 12:33 p.m.
Re: Quadra Island Trip Observations
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 30 September 1999, at 1:05 p.m.
Re: Quadra Island Trip Observations
lee -- Thursday, 30 September 1999, at 7:32 p.m.
Re: Quadra Island Trip Observations
Liz Leedham -- Thursday, 30 September 1999, at 9:24 a.m.
Re: Quadra Island Trip Observations
Pete W. P. -- Thursday, 30 September 1999, at 7:40 p.m.
Re: insurmountable lawsuit/greed?
lee -- Thursday, 30 September 1999, at 11:57 p.m.
Re: insurmountable lawsuit/greed?
Pete W. P. -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 10:41 a.m.
Re: insurmountable lawsuit/greed?
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 3:22 p.m.
Re: insurmountable lawsuit/greed?
Peter W. P. -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 5:43 p.m.
Re: guess that means no Club Med?
lee -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 6:56 p.m.
Re: guess that means no Club Med?
Peter W. P. -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 9:00 p.m.
Re: insurmountable lawsuit/greed?
Ian Johnston -- Saturday, 2 October 1999, at 3:55 p.m.
Re: who's got the ball
lee -- Saturday, 2 October 1999, at 8:14 p.m.
Re: who's got the ball
Ian Johnston -- Saturday, 2 October 1999, at 10:43 p.m.
Re: side pocket, stripes
lee -- Saturday, 2 October 1999, at 11:29 p.m.
Re: side pocket, stripes
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 3 October 1999, at 1:15 a.m.
Re: who's got the ball
Ed Valley -- Monday, 4 October 1999, at 1:22 p.m.
Re: who's got the ball
Ian Johnston -- Monday, 4 October 1999, at 9:40 p.m.
Re: who's got the ball
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 3 October 1999, at 4:03 a.m.
Re: who's got the ball
Pete W. P. -- Sunday, 3 October 1999, at 11:36 a.m.
Re: who's got the ball
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 3 October 1999, at 12:55 p.m.
Re: insurmountable lawsuit/greed?
Shawn Baker -- Saturday, 2 October 1999, at 8:29 p.m.
Re: topic
lee -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 4:36 p.m.
Re: topic
John Lange -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 7:23 p.m.
Re: topic
lee -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 9:13 p.m.
Re: oops , I meant prohibitionists
lee -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 9:20 p.m.
Fight the Power!
Shawn -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 10:18 p.m.
Re: topic
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 3 October 1999, at 3:12 a.m.
Commercial Tours
Mike Scarborough -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 10:26 a.m.
Re: Quadra Island Trip Observations
Wayne Smith -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 9:56 p.m.

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