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Re: who's got the ball

Posted By: Ian Johnston
Date: Sunday, 3 October 1999, at 12:55 p.m.

In Response To: Re: who's got the ball (Pete W. P.)

> Hi Ian,

> Your post covers a lot of good points in an interesting way. A good read.

> I think the problem that started this whole thread,[tho now its a giant
> fat cable] is that a lot of people are mixing micro-managed
> "liabilities" with Gross Negligence. Practicality and realism
> rules out [usually] the necessity for papers, merit slips, certificates
> and the like for the most mundane and basic personal responsibilites.
> Where I depart from some of the other posts here is where there was clear
> deception or negligence in notifying the kayaker of the difficulties
> involved. Now others would micro-manage that line to mean it involves
> wether or not you tied your shoelaces right. In reality my emphasis is on
> far more apparent dangers. Consider a guide leading his people down a
> river hes advertised as CLASS 2. Now say someone gets killed and low and
> behold, some experts attest to the fact that the river was infact a CLASS
> 5 at the particular place this individual got killed. That
> "guide" is in deep water, Hell, I'd even say CLASS 7!!!!!

> Pete

Pretty hard to argue this point! What I see though is that very few of these lawsuits have to do with gross neglegence, and should come under the heading of "foolish things people do." Most of us have done them and laugh about it at parties or with friends. Why, I remember the time.... :-)

I hope that the kind of posts that started this CABLE continue though. There is a wealth of info in them.

Ian

Messages In This Thread

Quadra Island Trip Observations
Byron Lawrence -- Wednesday, 29 September 1999, at 11:15 a.m.
Re: Quadra Island Trip Observations
lee -- Wednesday, 29 September 1999, at 12:33 p.m.
Re: Quadra Island Trip Observations
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 30 September 1999, at 1:05 p.m.
Re: Quadra Island Trip Observations
lee -- Thursday, 30 September 1999, at 7:32 p.m.
Re: Quadra Island Trip Observations
Liz Leedham -- Thursday, 30 September 1999, at 9:24 a.m.
Re: Quadra Island Trip Observations
Pete W. P. -- Thursday, 30 September 1999, at 7:40 p.m.
Re: insurmountable lawsuit/greed?
lee -- Thursday, 30 September 1999, at 11:57 p.m.
Re: insurmountable lawsuit/greed?
Pete W. P. -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 10:41 a.m.
Re: insurmountable lawsuit/greed?
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 3:22 p.m.
Re: insurmountable lawsuit/greed?
Peter W. P. -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 5:43 p.m.
Re: guess that means no Club Med?
lee -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 6:56 p.m.
Re: guess that means no Club Med?
Peter W. P. -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 9:00 p.m.
Re: insurmountable lawsuit/greed?
Ian Johnston -- Saturday, 2 October 1999, at 3:55 p.m.
Re: who's got the ball
lee -- Saturday, 2 October 1999, at 8:14 p.m.
Re: who's got the ball
Ian Johnston -- Saturday, 2 October 1999, at 10:43 p.m.
Re: side pocket, stripes
lee -- Saturday, 2 October 1999, at 11:29 p.m.
Re: side pocket, stripes
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 3 October 1999, at 1:15 a.m.
Re: who's got the ball
Ed Valley -- Monday, 4 October 1999, at 1:22 p.m.
Re: who's got the ball
Ian Johnston -- Monday, 4 October 1999, at 9:40 p.m.
Re: who's got the ball
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 3 October 1999, at 4:03 a.m.
Re: who's got the ball
Pete W. P. -- Sunday, 3 October 1999, at 11:36 a.m.
Re: who's got the ball
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 3 October 1999, at 12:55 p.m.
Re: insurmountable lawsuit/greed?
Shawn Baker -- Saturday, 2 October 1999, at 8:29 p.m.
Re: topic
lee -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 4:36 p.m.
Re: topic
John Lange -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 7:23 p.m.
Re: topic
lee -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 9:13 p.m.
Re: oops , I meant prohibitionists
lee -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 9:20 p.m.
Fight the Power!
Shawn -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 10:18 p.m.
Re: topic
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 3 October 1999, at 3:12 a.m.
Commercial Tours
Mike Scarborough -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 10:26 a.m.
Re: Quadra Island Trip Observations
Wayne Smith -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 9:56 p.m.

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