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A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?

Posted By: Jed
Date: Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 5:08 p.m.

In Response To: Re: What I learned in rolling today... (Don Beale)

: I have been leaning forward, not back. This must be wrong...

This is a matter of opinion !!!

In my experience you are better off avoiding the layback because it limits the effectiveness of the hipsnap. The strongest hipsnap is available only when your upperbody is held at 90°'s to the longitudinal axis of the boat. In this position you have the greatest sideways flexability which will allow you to raise your center of bouyancy. Since the hipsnap is so important, anything that limits it's power should be avoided, in my opinion.

The use of a layback can assist some rolls, but the layback is neither required nor desired in many rolls. Watch the "Grace Under Pressure" video and you'll see this guy hand roll leaning only to the side! With no layback! A layback during the roll may bring you upright but you'll be laying on your rear deck! Not a good position for a paddler to deal with any kind of conditions.

Many people use laybacks as a way to mask a weak hipsnap. While it is possible to perform a layback after the hipsnap, in real life many people never finish the hip snap in order to do a layback, hurting their roll in the process. The best rollers that I have ever seen come up on their side not on their back. Sorry to disagree so strongly Dave, but all I hold dear and true runs counter to your advise to lay back during the roll and your opinion that the layback is important to a successfull roll. My own hand rolls are strongest when I remember *NOT* to layback but rather commit fully to the hipsnap.

Respectfully,

Jed

Messages In This Thread

What I learned in rolling today...
Don Beale -- Monday, 4 September 2000, at 7:30 p.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
M. Hamilton -- Monday, 4 September 2000, at 8:40 p.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Don Beale -- Monday, 4 September 2000, at 10:27 p.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Jed -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 9:34 a.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
David -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 9:46 a.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Don Beale -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 12:24 p.m.
A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
Jed -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 5:08 p.m.
Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
David -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 12:16 a.m.
Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
M. Hamilton -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 11:33 a.m.
Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
Roger -- Thursday, 7 September 2000, at 5:34 p.m.
Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
Greg Stamer -- Thursday, 7 September 2000, at 7:09 p.m.
The Great Rolling Technique Debate
Jed -- Friday, 8 September 2000, at 12:03 p.m.
Re: The Great Rolling Technique Debate
Jed -- Friday, 8 September 2000, at 12:06 p.m.
Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
M. Hamilton -- Thursday, 7 September 2000, at 7:13 p.m.
As an instructor you need to do them all *LINK*
C.Spelius -- Thursday, 25 January 2007, at 5:12 p.m.
Re: As an instructor you need to do them all
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 25 January 2007, at 7:46 p.m.
Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
Nick Schade -- Friday, 8 September 2000, at 9:22 a.m.
Re: SanJuan Safety...
M. Hamilton -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 2:55 p.m.
Re: SanJuan Safety...
David -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 12:02 a.m.
Re: School Safety...
Shawn B. -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 2:58 p.m.
Re: School Safety...
Don Beale -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 6:01 p.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Robert Woodard -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 8:27 p.m.
Re: "Anybody out there with glasses "
Mick -- Wednesday, 31 March 2004, at 6:23 p.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Ed Deery -- Monday, 15 January 2007, at 11:31 p.m.
Sunglasses and rolling
Malcolm Schweizer -- Tuesday, 16 January 2007, at 6:24 p.m.
Re: Sunglasses and rolling
Mike Savage -- Tuesday, 16 January 2007, at 6:44 p.m.
Re: Sunglasses and rolling
Andy Waddington -- Monday, 22 January 2007, at 4:55 a.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
martin lister -- Wednesday, 17 January 2007, at 12:03 a.m.
Yes, Yes, Yes !!!
Jed -- Monday, 4 September 2000, at 10:33 p.m.
Rolling? Does the boat matter?
Craig Bumgarner -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 8:43 a.m.
Re: Rolling? Does the boat matter?
Nick Schade -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 9:22 a.m.
Re: Rolling? Does the boat matter?
WesT -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 5:51 p.m.
Rolling? The boat fit matters
Ray -- Thursday, 7 September 2000, at 8:30 a.m.
Same as I always say
Mick -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 12:22 a.m.
Re: Same as I always say
sing -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 7:36 a.m.
Rolling summaries by EJ and KenK
Nelson Labbé -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 9:04 a.m.
Re: Rolling summaries by EJ and KenK
sing -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 11:08 a.m.
Apology..
sing -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 11:10 a.m.
Re: Rolling summaries by EJ and KenK
mick -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 9:31 a.m.
Sorry, Mick
sing -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 11:53 a.m.
Re: Sorry, Mick
MikeA -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 6:47 p.m.
What about all-rounders ? *LINK*
mick -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 7:05 p.m.
Re: What about all-rounders ? *LINK*
sing -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 6:37 a.m.
Link *NM* *LINK*
sing -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 6:40 a.m.
Re: Kayak Jumping *LINK*
Klas Kreutzman -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 5:08 p.m.
Re: Kayak Jumping
sing -- Thursday, 8 April 2004, at 10:04 a.m.
Re: Kayak Jumping *LINK*
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 8 April 2004, at 1:53 p.m.
Okay... I'll ask...
sing -- Thursday, 8 April 2004, at 3:23 p.m.
Way to go Sing !
mick -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 1:36 a.m.
Some Aussie waveski action *LINK*
mick -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 7:50 a.m.
Re: Some Aussie waveski action
sing -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 11:10 a.m.
Re: Some Aussie waveski action
mick -- Monday, 12 April 2004, at 1:42 a.m.
Re: What about all-rounders ?
MikeA -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 10:35 a.m.
It's cool
mick -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 6:53 p.m.
I hear ya; Love the Greenland Paddle
Nelson Labbé -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 9:04 a.m.
Re: I hear ya; Love the Greenland Paddle
sing -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 5:19 a.m.

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