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Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res

Posted By: frankP
Date: Friday, 16 June 2006, at 3:12 p.m.

In Response To: Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res (jerry)

Not to burst your bubble, but you're comparing apples and oranges.

: re: the controversy, you can breathe out of the hull with a tube, i dont see
: the disadvantage of this in any situation, on the contrary. clearing water
: out of your snorkle is a common procedure for snorkle divers.
First of all, you've just added as much as 2 feet of tubing to your snorkel, as you suggested in the design you proposed. That's a lot more water to expel than in a standard snorkel. For an 18 inch snorkel (which seems long to me) with a 1/3inch inner diameter (a little smaller than real life) that's 5 cubic inches of water...for a 30 inch tube with the same diameter it's 8.48 cubic inches of water, which is almost twice as much. Furthermore, snorkelers know when they're going under and are prepared to clear the tube, they don't have to do it from a position of not being able to see what they're doing or surprise.

: re: for practice rolling, put tube in your mouth and mask on, practice
: breathing while upright, then roll over with a spotter. i would like to
: hear john's response to this, whether he thinks it helps him or not.
: likewise for anyone else who wants to try it. my feeling is that it
: eliminates the need for wet exits when practice rolling and actually adds
: a measure of confidence that quickens the learning process, but it is up
: for anyone to find out for themselves. i have used the tube in my
: whitewater boat for 10 years, but have never tried a sea kayak.
This I think would be the only realistic time to use one of these, but it will teach the person to rely on the tube, which is unrealistic in a real-world scenario. Most people don't paddle with a tube in their mouth on the off chance they're going to capsize. Conversely, if you are practicing rolls, you know when your going to capsize and can apropriately take a breath and hold it while you set up. Most folks can hold their breath for 20-30 seconds, which is more than enough time to set up, even if you don't know what you're doing. I don't see how the tube would give anyone the confidence to slow down any further than that.

FrankP

Messages In This Thread

Rolling Disorientation
Ben Staley -- Wednesday, 20 June 2001, at 3:45 p.m.

Re: Rolling Disorientation
Craig MacKinnon -- Wednesday, 20 June 2001, at 4:25 p.m.

Re: Rolling Disorientation
Ben Staley -- Wednesday, 20 June 2001, at 5:21 p.m.

Re: Rolling Disorientation
Tim Mattson -- Wednesday, 20 June 2001, at 5:58 p.m.

Re: Rolling Disorientation
Tim -- Wednesday, 20 June 2001, at 8:45 p.m.

Re: Rolling Disorientation
FBC -- Friday, 22 June 2001, at 12:31 a.m.

finishing the roll
risto -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 5:10 a.m.

Re: Rolling Nomenclature
Tim -- Wednesday, 20 June 2001, at 8:48 p.m.

Re: Rolling Nomenclature
Tim Mattson -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 2:10 a.m.

more confusion . . .
Jed -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 7:31 a.m.

and other thing!
Jed -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 7:39 a.m.

Re: Rolling Nomenclature
Tim -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 3:06 p.m.

Re: Keep practicing
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 20 June 2001, at 7:17 p.m.

kayak breathing tube for roll practice and rescue
jerry -- Friday, 9 June 2006, at 2:12 p.m.

The problem is...
Brian Nystrom -- Saturday, 10 June 2006, at 12:20 p.m.

Re: The problem is...
jerry -- Saturday, 10 June 2006, at 12:33 p.m.

Re: The problem is...
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 15 June 2006, at 7:42 a.m.

Re: The problem is...
Kent LeBoutillier -- Thursday, 15 June 2006, at 11:49 a.m.

Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res *Pic*
John Monroe -- Sunday, 11 June 2006, at 5:33 a.m.

Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res
Dave Isbell -- Sunday, 11 June 2006, at 10:42 a.m.

Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res *Pic*
John Monroe -- Monday, 12 June 2006, at 6:05 a.m.

outfitting
Greg Stamer -- Monday, 12 June 2006, at 10:24 p.m.

Re: outfitting
John Monroe -- Tuesday, 13 June 2006, at 5:54 a.m.

Re: outfitting
John Monroe -- Wednesday, 14 June 2006, at 3:51 a.m.

Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res
jerry -- Sunday, 11 June 2006, at 12:46 p.m.

breathing tube possibilities
mike allen -- Monday, 12 June 2006, at 12:39 a.m.

Re: breathing tube possibilities
frankP -- Friday, 16 June 2006, at 2:14 p.m.

Re: breathing tube possibilities
mike allen -- Friday, 16 June 2006, at 3:01 p.m.

Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res
Kris Buttermore -- Monday, 12 June 2006, at 11:44 a.m.

Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res
jerry -- Monday, 12 June 2006, at 1:18 p.m.

Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res *Pic*
John Monroe -- Tuesday, 13 June 2006, at 5:47 a.m.

Your scaring me John
Reg Lake -- Tuesday, 13 June 2006, at 12:07 p.m.

Re: Your scaring me John
John Monroe -- Wednesday, 14 June 2006, at 4:50 a.m.

More scariness
Kris Buttermore -- Wednesday, 14 June 2006, at 12:06 p.m.

Understanding the roll
Reg Lake -- Wednesday, 14 June 2006, at 12:51 p.m.

Re: Understanding the roll *Pic*
John Monroe -- Thursday, 15 June 2006, at 5:30 a.m.

Re: Your scaring me John
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 15 June 2006, at 8:20 a.m.

Re: Your scaring me John
John Monroe -- Friday, 16 June 2006, at 7:05 a.m.

Re: Your scaring me John *LINK*
Mike Savage -- Friday, 16 June 2006, at 3:08 p.m.

Re: Your scaring me John
John Monroe -- Saturday, 17 June 2006, at 5:52 a.m.

Re: Your scaring me John
Mike Savage -- Saturday, 17 June 2006, at 6:55 a.m.

Re: Your scaring me John
Brian Nystrom -- Tuesday, 20 June 2006, at 5:49 p.m.

Re: Your scaring me John
Brian Nystrom -- Tuesday, 20 June 2006, at 5:47 p.m.

Slot caves, skegs, rescues, and big fish *LINK*
John Monroe -- Wednesday, 21 June 2006, at 4:46 a.m.

Re: Slot caves, skegs, rescues, and big fish
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 21 June 2006, at 8:48 a.m.

Re: Slot caves, skegs, rescues, and big fish
Kent LeBoutillier -- Wednesday, 21 June 2006, at 11:58 a.m.

Re: Slot caves, skegs, rescues, and big fish
John Monroe -- Thursday, 22 June 2006, at 8:19 a.m.

Re: Slot caves, skegs, rescues, and big fish
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 23 June 2006, at 7:30 a.m.

Re: Slot caves, skegs, rescues, and big fish
Kris Buttermore -- Tuesday, 27 June 2006, at 11:34 a.m.

Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res
jerry -- Tuesday, 13 June 2006, at 1:12 p.m.

Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res
frankP -- Friday, 16 June 2006, at 3:12 p.m.

Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res
jerry -- Friday, 16 June 2006, at 4:13 p.m.

Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res
jerry -- Tuesday, 13 June 2006, at 4:37 p.m.

Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res
Kris Buttermore -- Tuesday, 13 June 2006, at 10:16 a.m.

Re: kayak breathing tube for roll practice and res
Steve Ryan -- Friday, 16 June 2006, at 4:08 p.m.

See Rapid Air *NM* *LINK*
Mick -- Friday, 16 June 2006, at 9:59 p.m.

Re: See Rapid Air
John Monroe -- Saturday, 17 June 2006, at 5:59 a.m.

Rolling Disorientation constructs
mike allen ---> -- Wednesday, 20 June 2001, at 9:01 p.m.

Re: In the basement/rope practice cross-training
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 12:46 p.m.

Re: In the basement/rope practice cross-training
Greg Stamer -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 2:11 p.m.

I've got to try this subbing trees for poles... *NM*
Craig MacKinnon -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 2:25 p.m.

The Pinball Wizard
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 20 June 2001, at 9:41 p.m.

Re: Be careful about tubing dimensions!!
WesT -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 10:06 a.m.

Re: Be careful about tubing dimensions!!
Thomas -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 11:25 a.m.

Re: Breathe in, breathe out, Daniel-san
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 12:40 p.m.

Re: Breathe in, breathe out, Daniel-san
Brianne Corbett -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 7:13 p.m.

Re: Be careful about tubing dimensions!!
Brianne Corbett -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 6:40 p.m.

Lung Volumn is Irrelevant!!
Thomas -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 9:57 p.m.

Breathing through a tube
Brianne Corbett -- Friday, 22 June 2001, at 11:25 a.m.

Re: Breathing through a tube
Thomas -- Friday, 22 June 2001, at 11:58 a.m.

Re: Breathing through a tube
Brianne Corbett -- Friday, 22 June 2001, at 7:34 p.m.

Stop arguing and get in the kayak now! *NM*
Doesn't matter -- Saturday, 23 June 2001, at 12:10 a.m.

Can I get an amen brothers and sisters! *NM*
Craig MacKinnon -- Saturday, 23 June 2001, at 9:09 a.m.

Re: Not an instructor, my foot!! Thanks Brianne! *NM*
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 12:37 p.m.

Re: Thanks All
Ben Staley -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 10:38 a.m.

Roll Aide
Carl Tjerandsen -- Thursday, 21 June 2001, at 11:51 a.m.

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