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Re: Gulf Information...

Posted By: FrankP
Date: Monday, 7 March 2005, at 7:45 a.m.

In Response To: Gulf Information... (Robert N Pruden)

:"If we had any doubts, we shared the information
: with each other. That done, we were very comfortable once under way yet
: careful to watch for sudden changes for the worst."

Robert,

I think one crucial thing you mentioned that is often overlooked, especially in "guided" situations is open communication. I've been a member of a ground SAR team for the last 6 years and been involved in outdoor "training" for about 10. The key to safety is communication. Especially in situations that can be life threatening, everyone MUST be comfortable voicing their concerns. Not only that, but everyone else must respect those concerns and act accordingly.

In guided situations, especially where those being guided are newbies, people often defer to the guides judgement and assume he/she is going to make an informed decision and the best option. That is often foolhardy and naive, unfortunately. Guides often discount people's fears as inexperience (and are often correct with no damage done) or think that with their own experience they will be able to deal with anything. While that may be true on an individual basis, you have other factors to contend with when dealing with other people's fears and capabilities. This guy, Hall, may or may not have heard any dissenting opinions about doing this trip, I don't know. Being that the kids were teenagers, I would suspect he didn't. Either way he should have planned better and been more prepared.

With regard to the press statement, I don't see anything that says they believe the guide did a good job, just that he hasn't had any safety issues in the past. He's been lucky, not good. There is a huge difference, and unfortunately it's accidents like this that are the only times that difference shows up.

So back to my point, whether you're paddling (or any other potentially dangerous sport) with friends, or guides or whomever, always be willing to voice your opinion and back out of a trip. If your opinion is discounted, simply back out. Your life and those of the people around you are far more important than a couple of days on the water.

FrankP

Messages In This Thread

Another tragedy of poor preparation?
Gary -- Monday, 28 February 2005, at 3:22 p.m.
Inexcusable...and with a motorized boat available?
Robert N Pruden -- Monday, 28 February 2005, at 4:10 p.m.
what were the circumstances?
rick stoehrer -- Monday, 28 February 2005, at 10:14 p.m.
Re: what were the circumstances?
Jay Doorly -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 12:18 a.m.
Re: Another tragedy of poor preparation?
Davis -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 2:48 a.m.
Re: Another tragedy of poor preparation?
Mike Scarborough -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 8:02 a.m.
rush to judgement?
rick stoehrer -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 11:24 a.m.
Re: rush to judgement?
shawn baker -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 5:03 p.m.
Re: rush to judgement?
Rehd -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 9:18 a.m.
I admit it, Yes.
Matt Brammer -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 8:24 p.m.
Yes and no
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 7:43 a.m.
Re: Another tragedy of poor preparation?
William N -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 12:08 p.m.
Re: Another tragedy of poor preparation?
Kris Buttermore -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 11:17 a.m.
Poor Preparation and Negligence
Matt Brammer -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 2:01 p.m.
Re: Poor Preparation and Negligence
Ong Yong Hui -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 1:32 a.m.
Re: Poor Preparation and Negligence
Don Flowers -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 3:42 p.m.
Re: Poor Preparation and Negligence *LINK*
Karen Rutherford -- Thursday, 21 August 2008, at 3:42 p.m.
Message to the more inexperienced paddlers here
Robert N Pruden -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 10:45 p.m.
There is NO excuse...
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 7:54 a.m.
Nature bats last... *NM*
M. Hamilton -- Saturday, 5 March 2005, at 10:59 p.m.
Here's the coast guard press release *LINK*
John D. -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 1:51 p.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
Alex M -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 2:33 a.m.
Another Lemon
Davis -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 3:44 a.m.
Re: Another Lemon
Robert N Pruden -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 5:47 a.m.
Re: Another Lemon
Davis -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 10:39 p.m.
Well done, Davis.
Robert N Pruden -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 3:18 a.m.
Re: Well done, Davis.
Davis -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 3:42 a.m.
Re: Well done, Davis.
Robert N Pruden -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 4:28 a.m.
Following up
Pamela -- Friday, 4 March 2005, at 8:09 a.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release *Pic*
John Monroe -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 5:16 a.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 6:57 a.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
John Monroe -- Friday, 4 March 2005, at 3:22 a.m.
You simply don't understand the dangers, John
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 4 March 2005, at 8:35 a.m.
Re: You simply don't understand the dangers, John
John Monroe -- Saturday, 5 March 2005, at 4:16 a.m.
Re: You simply don't understand the dangers, John
Brian Nystrom -- Saturday, 5 March 2005, at 8:15 a.m.
Bulkheads
Robert N Pruden -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 9:28 p.m.
Re: Bulkheads *Pic*
John Monroe -- Friday, 4 March 2005, at 3:56 a.m.
Re: Bulkheads
shawn baker -- Friday, 4 March 2005, at 10:20 a.m.
Re: Bulkheads
Matt Brammer -- Friday, 4 March 2005, at 1:13 p.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
Michael Shugg -- Tuesday, 13 June 2006, at 8:13 p.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
Ian -- Sunday, 6 March 2005, at 4:47 a.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 7 March 2005, at 6:54 a.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
Ian -- Tuesday, 8 March 2005, at 3:55 a.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
FrankP -- Tuesday, 8 March 2005, at 10:50 a.m.
Bad weather comes with clouds attached to it ...
Pamela -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 7:05 a.m.
Re: Bad weather comes with clouds attached to it .
Robert N Pruden -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 7:26 a.m.
Re: Bad weather comes with clouds attached to it .
PatrickC -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 10:25 a.m.
Gulf Information...
Robert N Pruden -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 9:42 p.m.
Re: Gulf Information...
PatrickC -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 11:09 p.m.
Re: Gulf Information...
Robert N Pruden -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 3:38 a.m.
Re: Gulf Information...
FrankP -- Monday, 7 March 2005, at 7:45 a.m.
Re: Gulf Information...
Robert N Pruden -- Monday, 7 March 2005, at 9:52 a.m.
Re: Gulf Information...
FrankP -- Monday, 7 March 2005, at 4:19 p.m.
Coaching Fastpitch Ball
Robert N Pruden -- Monday, 7 March 2005, at 5:45 p.m.
Re: Bad weather comes with clouds attached to it .
Karl -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 12:28 p.m.
Some more info *LINK*
Matt Brammer -- Sunday, 6 March 2005, at 1:10 a.m.
Stop being so critical! *NM*
Michelle -- Tuesday, 6 June 2006, at 1:17 p.m.
Re: Stop being so critical!
Michelle -- Tuesday, 6 June 2006, at 1:35 p.m.
You're a bit late to the party, Michelle
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 8 June 2006, at 1:46 a.m.
Re: Stop being so critical!
rick -- Friday, 9 June 2006, at 1:38 p.m.
Re: Stop being so critical!
frankP -- Friday, 16 June 2006, at 3:23 p.m.
Re: Another tragedy of poor preparation?
Karen Rutherford -- Thursday, 21 August 2008, at 3:51 p.m.

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