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Re: Here's the coast guard press release
Posted By: John Monroe In Response To: Re: Here's the coast guard press release (Brian Nystrom)
Date: Friday, 4 March 2005, at 3:22 a.m.
: I hate to get into this again, but since you're still promoting this idea...
(It won’t be long Brian until I can test this out. I have been waiting anxiously all winter.)
: A) You haven't proven your idea yet and many of use have told you why it
: simply isn't going to work in a narrow kayak. It's a totally different
: animal than a wide canoe with foam sponsons on the gunwales.(The different animal that has outside sponsors becomes the same animal when the kayak/canoe fills with water. The very same reaction takes place except the inside sponsors do not have as much leverage because they are closer together but it will still work. Think of it as an auto tire tube you are setting in, in the water. The tube becomes your sponsors and stabilize you even though they are very narrow in width. Now, instead of setting in an intertube you are setting in a flooded boat. The same forces are exactly the same.)
: B) It's a BAD idea to flood any boat in order to gain stability. Again, many
: of us have explained the reasons for this.If it works and saves lives, why is it a bad idea? I had many explain why this concept wouldn’t work on my 26-inch wide kayak when I was building it. When it did work, the silence was deafening, and the new reason it works they said was because it was wider then normal. This has all been played out before and ended with positive results and I have no reason to believe it will any different this time. But I will be running the test to share with you and if it doesn’t work as planned I will tell you.
: C) The limited testing you've done with a wider boat has all been on dead
: flat calm water, which is not representative of the kind of conditions
: likely to cause a capsize. As many of us have told you, your technique
: will not only not work in rough water, it's very dangerous to be in a
: flooded, uncontrollable boat in rough water.It was limited testing and that is the reason for the extensive testing this spring and summer. The man that drowned in the pond near me was in dead flat water. A dangerous death trap uncontrollable canoe is what most likely was the cause of his death.
: D) Bulkheads and/or float bags provide PROVEN floatation that works with
: PROVEN rescue methods. An emergency situation is no time to screw around
: with unproven ideas.Brian what’s wrong with having proven rescue skill and having back up inside side floatation. More options are better then fewer ones. If you carefully read Sea-Kayaker/Deep Trouble you will find that many of the deaths and near deaths were kayakers with good kayaking skills where the float/paddle rescue wasn’t working because of high winds/waves, and they found themselves unable to stay in their unstable kayaks.
: E) Skill trumps gear every time. Learn to brace and roll and all of this
: fooling around with floatation is unnecessary.Many people do not have the training or realize the dangers of kayaking/canoeing and are not trained, or have the proper equipment with them to be safe. The unfortunate youngsters that died off the Florida coast are axample as far as we know. That's the reason I had to get my 2 cents in.
John
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