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Re: Poor Preparation and Negligence

Posted By: Don Flowers
Date: Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 3:42 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Poor Preparation and Negligence (Ong Yong Hui)

My experience is that the more moving parts, the more likely it won't work. Reliance on a motor boat likely would give a false sense of security and lead to decisions such as paddling too far off shore, not in a tight enough group, in worse weather than would normally be done, in empty boats which have a higher centre of gravity and are more unstable. Even if the cat had been working, it likely would not have been an effective search vessel with a half a dozen boats tied to it.
The guiding I do requires back-up communication devices as well and, while there is an advantage, it also gives false security when going in and out of dead zones. (That said, a friend was leading a trip where he was able to call in a helicopter evac to deal with an unexpected allergic reaction to a bee sting).
In general, the back-ups are OK but the best plan to me is to operate as though you were entirely on your own -- that tends to make the decisions more conservative which leads to fewer incidents.
Having seen a few incidents, I would be reluctant to pass any judgement on the group without full information and familiarity with the area. I certainly feel for everyone involved -- it is tough enough dealing with the incident without the pressure of being in the spotlight at the same time.
don

: For those of you here who are kayaking guides here in this forum, or have
: went for guided paddling trips before, what is the expected behaviour of a
: motor craft escort in times of difficulty like this during paddling trips?

Messages In This Thread

Another tragedy of poor preparation?
Gary -- Monday, 28 February 2005, at 3:22 p.m.
Inexcusable...and with a motorized boat available?
Robert N Pruden -- Monday, 28 February 2005, at 4:10 p.m.
what were the circumstances?
rick stoehrer -- Monday, 28 February 2005, at 10:14 p.m.
Re: what were the circumstances?
Jay Doorly -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 12:18 a.m.
Re: Another tragedy of poor preparation?
Davis -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 2:48 a.m.
Re: Another tragedy of poor preparation?
Mike Scarborough -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 8:02 a.m.
rush to judgement?
rick stoehrer -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 11:24 a.m.
Re: rush to judgement?
shawn baker -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 5:03 p.m.
Re: rush to judgement?
Rehd -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 9:18 a.m.
I admit it, Yes.
Matt Brammer -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 8:24 p.m.
Yes and no
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 7:43 a.m.
Re: Another tragedy of poor preparation?
William N -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 12:08 p.m.
Re: Another tragedy of poor preparation?
Kris Buttermore -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 11:17 a.m.
Poor Preparation and Negligence
Matt Brammer -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 2:01 p.m.
Re: Poor Preparation and Negligence
Ong Yong Hui -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 1:32 a.m.
Re: Poor Preparation and Negligence
Don Flowers -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 3:42 p.m.
Re: Poor Preparation and Negligence *LINK*
Karen Rutherford -- Thursday, 21 August 2008, at 3:42 p.m.
Message to the more inexperienced paddlers here
Robert N Pruden -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 10:45 p.m.
There is NO excuse...
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 7:54 a.m.
Nature bats last... *NM*
M. Hamilton -- Saturday, 5 March 2005, at 10:59 p.m.
Here's the coast guard press release *LINK*
John D. -- Tuesday, 1 March 2005, at 1:51 p.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
Alex M -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 2:33 a.m.
Another Lemon
Davis -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 3:44 a.m.
Re: Another Lemon
Robert N Pruden -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 5:47 a.m.
Re: Another Lemon
Davis -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 10:39 p.m.
Well done, Davis.
Robert N Pruden -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 3:18 a.m.
Re: Well done, Davis.
Davis -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 3:42 a.m.
Re: Well done, Davis.
Robert N Pruden -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 4:28 a.m.
Following up
Pamela -- Friday, 4 March 2005, at 8:09 a.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release *Pic*
John Monroe -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 5:16 a.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 6:57 a.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
John Monroe -- Friday, 4 March 2005, at 3:22 a.m.
You simply don't understand the dangers, John
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 4 March 2005, at 8:35 a.m.
Re: You simply don't understand the dangers, John
John Monroe -- Saturday, 5 March 2005, at 4:16 a.m.
Re: You simply don't understand the dangers, John
Brian Nystrom -- Saturday, 5 March 2005, at 8:15 a.m.
Bulkheads
Robert N Pruden -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 9:28 p.m.
Re: Bulkheads *Pic*
John Monroe -- Friday, 4 March 2005, at 3:56 a.m.
Re: Bulkheads
shawn baker -- Friday, 4 March 2005, at 10:20 a.m.
Re: Bulkheads
Matt Brammer -- Friday, 4 March 2005, at 1:13 p.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
Michael Shugg -- Tuesday, 13 June 2006, at 8:13 p.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
Ian -- Sunday, 6 March 2005, at 4:47 a.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 7 March 2005, at 6:54 a.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
Ian -- Tuesday, 8 March 2005, at 3:55 a.m.
Re: Here's the coast guard press release
FrankP -- Tuesday, 8 March 2005, at 10:50 a.m.
Bad weather comes with clouds attached to it ...
Pamela -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 7:05 a.m.
Re: Bad weather comes with clouds attached to it .
Robert N Pruden -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 7:26 a.m.
Re: Bad weather comes with clouds attached to it .
PatrickC -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 10:25 a.m.
Gulf Information...
Robert N Pruden -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 9:42 p.m.
Re: Gulf Information...
PatrickC -- Wednesday, 2 March 2005, at 11:09 p.m.
Re: Gulf Information...
Robert N Pruden -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 3:38 a.m.
Re: Gulf Information...
FrankP -- Monday, 7 March 2005, at 7:45 a.m.
Re: Gulf Information...
Robert N Pruden -- Monday, 7 March 2005, at 9:52 a.m.
Re: Gulf Information...
FrankP -- Monday, 7 March 2005, at 4:19 p.m.
Coaching Fastpitch Ball
Robert N Pruden -- Monday, 7 March 2005, at 5:45 p.m.
Re: Bad weather comes with clouds attached to it .
Karl -- Thursday, 3 March 2005, at 12:28 p.m.
Some more info *LINK*
Matt Brammer -- Sunday, 6 March 2005, at 1:10 a.m.
Stop being so critical! *NM*
Michelle -- Tuesday, 6 June 2006, at 1:17 p.m.
Re: Stop being so critical!
Michelle -- Tuesday, 6 June 2006, at 1:35 p.m.
You're a bit late to the party, Michelle
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 8 June 2006, at 1:46 a.m.
Re: Stop being so critical!
rick -- Friday, 9 June 2006, at 1:38 p.m.
Re: Stop being so critical!
frankP -- Friday, 16 June 2006, at 3:23 p.m.
Re: Another tragedy of poor preparation?
Karen Rutherford -- Thursday, 21 August 2008, at 3:51 p.m.

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