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Re: Unsafe perimeter lines

Posted By: Jed
Date: Monday, 4 March 2002, at 3:09 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Unsafe perimeter lines (Tim Mattson)

: You raise an interesting point. Of my five kayaks, only one has perimeter
: deck saftey lines. Frankly, I don't understand why they are considered
: such an important saftey feature. I know that's the conventional wisdom,
: but I don't understand why they make things safer. If I'm in the water, I
: control my boat by sticking my legs or an arm in the boat --- not by
: gripping a perimeter line. I just don't see why they add any degree of
: saftey.

: I have in the passed worried about them as a potential hazzard for the
: reason's your story illustrates. Any kind of lines on or near our kayaks
: are a potential source of dangerous entanglement. I keep lines and other
: stuff on the deck to a minimum.

Tim,

1 The value of perimeter lines becomes self-evident when a swimmer is working to hold onto a kayak in rough water. I tend to perform my fair share of assisted rescues and can atest from experience that the availability of perimeter lines has made all of the difference between an easy or difficult rescue.

2 An additional benefit is seen when a boat needs to be towed for whatever reason.

3 Stabilization of a boat by another paddler for various reasons like rafting up for an uncounsious paddler rescue or possibly just to stabilize a boat during the reentry phase of a T Rescue.

4 Manual Handling - The more places you can grab a boat the less likely it is to be dropped or for those carrying it to be injured.

5 My perimeter lines are used to stow my paddles when that becomes neccessary.

6 Anchor points for my (bivy) tarp

Given the various benefits of perimeter lines, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want them on their expedition rigged seakayak. Can you tell us about your boats and why you have chosen not to use perimeter lines?

Jed

Messages In This Thread

Unsafe perimeter lines
Ben Staley -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 12:50 p.m.

Re: Thanks for the good beta, Ben *NM*
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 1:13 p.m.

Re: Unsafe perimeter lines
Tim Mattson -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 2:03 p.m.

Re: Unsafe perimeter lines
dan -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 3:07 p.m.

Re: Unsafe perimeter lines
Jed -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 3:09 p.m.

Re: Unsafe perimeter lines
LeeG -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 4:28 p.m.

Re: Unsafe perimeter lines
Tim Mattson -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 6:16 p.m.

Re: Unsafe perimeter lines
Jed -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 7:04 p.m.

Re: Unsafe perimeter lines
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 10:34 p.m.

Re: Unsafe perimeter lines
LeeG -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 10:42 p.m.

Re: Unsafe perimeter lines
Brian Nystrom -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 11:12 a.m.

Safer rigging
Brianne Corbett -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 6:13 p.m.

Re: Safer rigging
Brian Nystrom -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 6:25 p.m.

Question for the Day
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 7:06 p.m.

Re: Question for the Day
Brianne Corbett -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 9:12 p.m.

Re: Question for the Day
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 6 March 2002, at 10:34 a.m.

Re: Question for the Day
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 6 March 2002, at 1:10 p.m.

Re: Question for the Day
LeeG -- Thursday, 7 March 2002, at 7:15 a.m.

Re: Question for the Day
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 7 March 2002, at 12:48 p.m.

Re: Question for the Day
LeeG -- Thursday, 7 March 2002, at 4:42 p.m.

Re: Question for the Day
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 6 March 2002, at 1:08 p.m.

Deck line materials
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 6 March 2002, at 1:02 p.m.

Re: Deck line materials
Brianne Corbett -- Friday, 8 March 2002, at 7:50 a.m.

Re: Deck line materials
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 8 March 2002, at 3:08 p.m.

I have one boat with and one without...
Craig Mackinnon -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 9:00 a.m.

Make that "taut" perimeter deck lines...
Craig Mackinnon -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 9:16 a.m.

Re:perimeter lines; rethinking rigging
Ben Staley -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 10:48 a.m.

Does the boat have sheer clamps?
Brian Nystrom -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 11:31 a.m.

Re: Does the boat have sheer clamps? *Pic*
Ben Staley -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 12:02 p.m.

deck lines
risto -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 12:41 p.m.

Re: deck lines
Brian Nystrom -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 5:23 p.m.

Re: deck lines
risto -- Thursday, 7 March 2002, at 5:02 a.m.

In defense of a good "Cat FIght"
Jed -- Thursday, 7 March 2002, at 7:32 a.m.

Fanning the flames, eh Jed?
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 7 March 2002, at 12:35 p.m.

OOPS!!! I didn't realize this was tongue in cheek
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 7 March 2002, at 2:05 p.m.

Re: deck lines
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 7 March 2002, at 7:37 a.m.

Re: deck lines
risto -- Thursday, 7 March 2002, at 12:31 p.m.

Re:perimeter lines: recessed rigging
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 2:01 p.m.

Re:perimeter lines: recessed rigging
Jed -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 2:32 p.m.

A suggestion
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 5:52 p.m.

Unsafe perimeter lines
dan -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 7:35 p.m.

YOU are the man..........!!!!
Bruce S. -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 1:11 a.m.

Yeah, way to stay with it...
Craig Mackinnon -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 8:47 a.m.

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