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Re: That really is a great poiint

Posted By: Shawn Baker
Date: Wednesday, 27 February 2002, at 11:40 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Thats a great poiint (Don Beale)

I always feel safer when I paddle with fellow paddlers who are all "geared up". I know that if the $#!t hits the fan, they're as prepared to help themselves and me as much as I am prepared to help them.

: There have been timen when I felt funny - look at me, all my immersion gear,
: radio, etc.. and the person I was with, no roll and very limited immersion
: time. He commens on my being 'way too serious' and I comment on him
: possibly getting ' in real trouble'. Hopefully I'll try to teach him to
: roll this summer.

I paddled with two guys in January who questioned my requirement (I was trip leader) that they must wear wetsuits or drysuits. It was about 23*F out and they wondered why I wouldn't back down on that req.

: I was comfortable with this person, and weve paddled together several times -
: on flat water :) And I'd be comfortable telling him I didnt think he was
: prepared, should we look at venturing further out. But suppose I wasnt?

That's a good thing. If you weren't? You might be setting yourself for a fall.

: Suppose he thought I was really unsafe,

That depends...are you really unsafe (which I know you're not), or is it just his hypothetical assessment of you. You can make sure folks don't ever see you being unsafe, and taking precautions all the time. Your safety attitude should never be questioned. If you make some bad decisions (and your paddling partners know better), they owe it to you to correct you.

: or vice versa? What are some good
: suggestions for tactfully handling that situation?

"Hey [insert name of buddy who doesn't wear immersion pro], have you ever taken a swim in water this cold?" Then do a wet exit and demonstrate how functional you are after 10 minutes. Challenge them to simply keep their hands in the cold water that long.

Try to encourage safe thinking on their part. You can't really tell someone what to do. You can ask loaded questions so they'll start thinking about the consequences of their actions.

My condolences to Ken's family, and to Murray and George. It's tough to know when a fellow paddler dies. It's even tougher when we know they're prepared, skilled, and practiced. I imagine it's toughest yet when you know them personally.

Shawn

Messages In This Thread

Good man dies
M.Hamilton -- Wednesday, 27 February 2002, at 12:09 a.m.
Re: Good man dies
Wayne Smith -- Wednesday, 27 February 2002, at 10:24 a.m.
Re: Good man dies
Ben Staley -- Wednesday, 27 February 2002, at 12:38 p.m.
Re: Good man dies
Don Beale -- Wednesday, 27 February 2002, at 2:05 p.m.
Helmets
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 27 February 2002, at 2:23 p.m.
Re: Thats a great poiint
Don Beale -- Wednesday, 27 February 2002, at 8:49 p.m.
Re: That really is a great poiint
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 27 February 2002, at 11:40 p.m.
Re: Gear -> Safety
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 9:58 a.m.
Re: Gear -> Safety
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 1:17 p.m.
Re: Gear -> Safety
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Monday, 4 March 2002, at 4:52 p.m.
Re: Gear -> Safety
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 7:00 p.m.
Re: Gear -> Safety
Jed -- Tuesday, 5 March 2002, at 10:56 p.m.
Re: Thats a great poiint
Wayne Smith -- Thursday, 28 February 2002, at 8:43 a.m.
Tact be damned!
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 28 February 2002, at 12:20 p.m.
Tactless in New England
Jed -- Friday, 1 March 2002, at 3:03 p.m.
Re: Tactless in New England
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 1 March 2002, at 3:32 p.m.
Re: Tactless in New England
Jed -- Friday, 1 March 2002, at 5:32 p.m.
Tact...use this board
Tom Tieman -- Thursday, 28 February 2002, at 12:50 p.m.
Taking all this one step further.......
Bruce S. -- Wednesday, 27 February 2002, at 10:05 p.m.
Re: Taking all this one step further.......
M.Hamilton -- Thursday, 28 February 2002, at 12:06 a.m.
in pursuit of happiness.
Jed -- Thursday, 28 February 2002, at 8:28 a.m.
Re: I cant think of a better way to go
Don Beale -- Thursday, 28 February 2002, at 8:49 a.m.
Re: I cant think of a better way to go
Pamela -- Thursday, 28 February 2002, at 8:00 p.m.
Re: Good man dies-smoking in bed
dave mcadoo -- Thursday, 28 February 2002, at 7:53 p.m.
Rear view mirrors
Brianne Corbett -- Thursday, 28 February 2002, at 10:08 p.m.
Re: Rear view mirrors
Bob O -- Friday, 1 March 2002, at 10:23 a.m.
Re: Rear-view Mirrors
Eric -- Friday, 1 March 2002, at 6:25 a.m.
Rear-view Mirrors ?????
Jed -- Friday, 1 March 2002, at 9:38 a.m.
Re: Rear-view Mirrors
Brianne Corbett -- Friday, 1 March 2002, at 3:29 p.m.
Place to hang fuzzy dice? :) *NM*
Val Wann -- Saturday, 2 March 2002, at 2:37 p.m.
Re: Place to hang fuzzy dice? :)
Brianne Corbett -- Saturday, 2 March 2002, at 9:38 p.m.

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