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and another . . .

Posted By: Jed
Date: Tuesday, 9 January 2001, at 6:55 p.m.

In Response To: Re: A different thought... (Greg Stamer)

: That said, many of us like to play in exactly those conditions that require
: braces and rolls. I have never bought into the "having to roll is a
: sign of failure" argument. I will often simply roll, when an overhead
: breaking wave is about to explode on me, to take the punishment on the
: bottom of the hull rather than staying upright by performing a heroic
: brace. In cases like these a deliberate roll can result in less energy
: expended and less chance of injury.

It was over this issue ("to need to roll is a measure of failure") that I locked horns with the honorable Shawn Baker some time ago. As it turned out we disagreed less than our posts might have implied. I agree with you Greg on this. There are times when a roll is more efficient or just more convenient and even more times when it is the safer alternative.

I have admitted before to my transgressions vis-a-vis gratuitous rolling during my freshman year as a roller. Once I was convinvced that my roll would work as advertised, I started to work on braceing to the point where I refused to roll at all except during legitimate rolling practice. Now I can honestly say that I have a reliable and shoulder-safe high brace. But it was the ability to roll that allowed me to learn how to high brace safely.

I have a difficult time believing that someone can become an expert at anything without stepping over the line and crashing once in a while. So while I too have met people that say they have never capsized, I have never met an expert paddler that made that claim. I'm not saying it's not possible, I just think the fastest way to learn is to dance at the edge of the envelope.

Messages In This Thread

backup, roll aid
wesley echols -- Wednesday, 3 January 2001, at 7:49 p.m.
Re: backup, roll aid
Ian Johnston -- Thursday, 4 January 2001, at 1:05 a.m.
Re: backup, roll aid
Greg Stamer -- Thursday, 4 January 2001, at 12:08 p.m.
i have two of them - - -
liv2padl -- Thursday, 4 January 2001, at 1:09 p.m.
Re: i have two of them - - -
Tom -- Thursday, 4 January 2001, at 3:58 p.m.
Re: i have two of them - - -
Tim Mattson -- Friday, 5 January 2001, at 1:28 a.m.
myth? - - -
liv2padl -- Friday, 5 January 2001, at 4:48 a.m.
Re: myth? - - -
Tom -- Monday, 8 January 2001, at 9:50 a.m.
Ah, the sweet sounds of dissonance.
Jed -- Saturday, 6 January 2001, at 7:18 a.m.
Re: Ah, the sweet sounds of dissonance.
Tom -- Monday, 8 January 2001, at 9:54 a.m.
An appology and explaination
Jed -- Monday, 8 January 2001, at 12:21 p.m.
Re: An appology and explaination
Tom -- Monday, 8 January 2001, at 2:18 p.m.
Re: An appology and explaination
Capt. M. Hamilton -- Tuesday, 9 January 2001, at 12:37 a.m.
Re: An appology and explaination
Tom -- Wednesday, 10 January 2001, at 5:27 p.m.
Re: An appology and explaination
Tom -- Thursday, 11 January 2001, at 5:20 p.m.
A different thought...
William W. -- Tuesday, 9 January 2001, at 1:31 p.m.
Re: A different thought...
Greg Stamer -- Tuesday, 9 January 2001, at 2:31 p.m.
and another . . .
Jed -- Tuesday, 9 January 2001, at 6:55 p.m.
Re: The safest kayaker ...
Nick Schade -- Wednesday, 10 January 2001, at 9:43 a.m.
Re: Risk Management- R.A.R. Rule
Ian Johnston -- Wednesday, 10 January 2001, at 11:15 a.m.
Re: The safest kayaker ...
Tom -- Wednesday, 10 January 2001, at 5:36 p.m.
Re: and another . . .
Tom -- Wednesday, 10 January 2001, at 5:34 p.m.
Re: A different thought...
Tom -- Wednesday, 10 January 2001, at 5:31 p.m.
Re: A different thought...
M.Hamilton. -- Wednesday, 10 January 2001, at 9:41 p.m.
Re: An appology and explaination
Tom -- Wednesday, 10 January 2001, at 5:20 p.m.
Re: backup, roll aid
Tom -- Thursday, 4 January 2001, at 3:50 p.m.

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