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running lights thread

Posted By: risto
Date: Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 8:22 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Optimum running lights sought (Terry)

hi,

Having read the posts in this thread it seems to me that 3 different issues have been mixed up here:

1. what should a person who has poor hearing do to ensure he/she is seen when paddling at night. This is a special and hazardous case as us with good hearing can normally prepare to show lights early enough but he can not.

2. what kind of lights should one have as running lights ie. these are kept on for prolonged periods, let's say when one is paddling along and in a shipping lane which sometimes can't be avoided.

3. what can one do in case one hears and sees a boat bearing directly on oneself and begins to feel that the boat's skipper just doesn't see one. This can easily happen if in the background there are many white lights, on shore for instance.

Now, I don't think issue #1 has been resolved here at all.

As for #2 I think the captain has pretty much put this right. This kind of lights definitely should be by the book.

But #3 is different. I can't help but thinking that here one should only worry about beeing seen, and immediately. Red or white strobe, mini-flare, Very pistol,... as long as one gets their attention.

A kayaker can hardly count on his own ability to avoid a craft with ten times his own speed if the latter is unaware of the kayaker's presence. You may be a little off his course to begin with, but will that course stay as it is? The guy may suddenly reach for another drink ...

The sharpened tones in some of the posts above probably were a result of the 3 issues being treated by the various participants and not everyone at all times specifying whether is was apples, oranges, or tomatoes they were talking about.

I do, however, remain curious about the issues #1 and #3: what can one do in these cases?

risto

Messages In This Thread

Optimum running lights sought
Dan -- Wednesday, 13 December 2000, at 10:08 p.m.

Meaning of *NM*
Nick Schade -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 9:55 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 12:32 p.m.

Re: Red Strobes
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 1:25 p.m.

Strobes are considered distress signals...
Jabberwocky -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 4:43 p.m.

2000 was a good year
shawn baker -- Tuesday, 16 November 2004, at 4:18 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
risto -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 1:31 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Capt. M. Hamilton -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 6:19 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Dan -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 7:56 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Lee -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 11:12 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 1:32 a.m.

Funny, I thought the exact same thing
Jerry -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 11:58 a.m.

Re: Funny, I thought the exact same thing
Will -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:11 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 12:34 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:11 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 1:37 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M. Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 4:00 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
MH again -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 4:06 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 1:03 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
MH -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 10:57 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 2:22 p.m.

Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
mike allen ---> -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 7:52 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:04 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:31 p.m.

Red flasher only on rudolph
mike allen ---> -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 1:55 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
Earl Bailey -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 2:52 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
FBC -- Thursday, 21 December 2000, at 7:19 p.m.

lights used
tom -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 1:09 a.m.

Re: lights used
M.Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 11:41 a.m.

High Speed Drunks *Pic*
Robert Woodard -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 5:00 p.m.

Re: High Speed Drunks
Ian Johnston -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:48 p.m.

Re: Thanks for locating the photo *NM*
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:48 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 11:48 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 12:49 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 2:09 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Terry -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 7:25 p.m.

running lights thread
risto -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 8:22 a.m.

Re: running lights thread
M.Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 12:28 p.m.

Re: running lights thread
risto -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 3:28 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
David -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 9:06 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Will -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:01 p.m.

Thank you, all!
Les Groby -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 12:15 p.m.

hearing
tom -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 7:36 p.m.

Re: hearing
Don Beale -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 1:11 a.m.

Re: hearing
MH -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 11:00 p.m.

No Strobes; link to red-green bow lights *LINK*
Mark -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 9:41 a.m.

Re: No Strobes; link to red-green bow lights
Tim Mattson -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 1:46 p.m.

Re: All round white light
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 3:15 p.m.

What is so hard!!!
Capt. M. hamilton -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 8:09 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
LeeG -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 9:45 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 10:16 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
LeeG -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:15 p.m.

Different regs *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:47 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:58 p.m.

Coastal vs. Inland
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:09 p.m.

Re: Coastal vs. Inland
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:28 p.m.

Re: I'll accept your apology later
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 11:06 p.m.

What is so hard!--Look here...
Mark -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:17 a.m.

Ya'll still don't get it
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 1:34 p.m.

One problem
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:29 p.m.

Problem two
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:40 p.m.

Re: Problem two
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:11 p.m.

360 white means at anchor only? WRONG!!!
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:49 p.m.

Canada US differences too! Be careful with advice.
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:52 p.m.

Last word from me on this
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 6:03 p.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
Brian Nystrom -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 9:38 a.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
Robert Woodard -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 10:23 a.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
mark -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 12:40 p.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 2:05 p.m.

Re: My Last Word
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 4:24 p.m.

information dissemination
Karl -- Friday, 6 August 2004, at 2:55 p.m.

Re: information dissemination
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 11 August 2004, at 6:37 p.m.

Re: information dissemination
Karl -- Thursday, 12 August 2004, at 12:07 a.m.

Re: 360 white means at anchor only? WRONG!!!
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:46 p.m.

Re: Display in time
Roy Morford -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 1:28 a.m.

Re: Display in time
LeeG -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 8:18 a.m.

Re: Display in time
Karl -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 12:19 p.m.

Right of way
Kris Buttermore -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 7:29 p.m.

Re: Right of way
Karl -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:13 p.m.

Re: Kayakers have right of way.....
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:19 p.m.

Re: Kayakers NEVER have right of way.....
Kris Buttermore -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:58 p.m.

Re: Kayakers NEVER have right of way.....
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 1:55 p.m.

RIGHT OF WAY can be given but not taken
Reg Lake -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 2:02 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Robert Woodard -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:10 p.m.

I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:42 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
haresfur -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 11:32 p.m.

Re: I guess that would be a headlight!!! *NM*
Roy Morford -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 1:20 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 7:59 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
LeeG -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 8:37 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Ed Hopkins -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:31 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:49 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Ed Hopkins -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 5:46 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 11 August 2004, at 6:40 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
haresfur -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 12:18 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Karl -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 12:25 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 11:27 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 11:31 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 7:10 a.m.

Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 7:39 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
martin lister -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 10:36 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK* *Pic*
Mike Massey -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:05 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Tim Mattson -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:01 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests - Tim is right
Roy Morford -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 4:18 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests - Tim is right *LINK* *Pic*
Mike Massey -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 4:33 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests - novice question
Evan Shaw -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 8:47 a.m.

good question,,,consumer culture
LeeG -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:47 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kelly -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:03 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 10:03 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Mike Massey -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 4:15 p.m.

TekTite lights *LINK*
Will -- Thursday, 11 November 2004, at 1:33 a.m.

Re: TekTite lights - call them to order
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 10:30 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Don Lucas -- Wednesday, 17 November 2004, at 12:13 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Kris Buttermore -- Thursday, 18 November 2004, at 10:50 a.m.

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