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Re: Optimum running lights sought

Posted By: M.Hamilton
Date: Friday, 15 December 2000, at 1:32 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Optimum running lights sought (Lee)

Lee, thanks, apparently not all understand my intent here. Regarding lighting, a kayak would be an oar driven vessel (for classification in both International and Inland Rules). As such Rule 25 states that for both International and Inland. Rule 25 d (ii) A vessel under oars may exhibit the lights described in this Rule for sailing vessels, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision. The sailing vessel lights referred to are as follows, and they are an option for your kayak:
Rule 25 (a) A sailing vessel underway shall exhibit:
(i) sidelights
(ii) a sternlight
(b) In a sailing vessel of less than 20m the lights prescribed in paragraph (a)
of this Rule may be combined in one lantern at or near the top of the mast where it can best be seen. (Same for both International and Inland)

So regarding lighting for your kayak, I suppose you could mount a combined nav light on some sort of post affixed to the deck aft of your cockpit. You could purchase this from a boating store, and it should comply with the visibility requirements listed in Annex 1 of the Rules book. You'd need some sort of battery power. To answer your question of an all round white light while paddling, one aft and a flashlight forward, the Rules don't allow for this. Interestingly Rule 23 of International only allows for a power driven vessel less than 7 meters and travelling less than seven knots to display an all round white light!
As for bending the rules I think Rule 20 (b) states that the rules concerning lights shall be complied with from sunset to sunrise, and during such times no other lights shall be exhibited, except such lights as cannot be mistaken for lights specified by those stated in these Rules or do not impair their distinctive character or interfere with the keeping of a proper lookout.

Side note: Friend was paddling home a few weeks ago in the dark in Guemes Channel between Anacortes Wa. and Guemes Is. He was approached on the water by the Coast Guard and asked if he had a white light or torch. He did not, so they nicely informed him of the requirement and gave him a free ride across!

These Rules can be confusing! But it is our duty as Mariners to do our best to understand them and comply with them. The Coast Guard is a call away, and they are friendly. I am not an expert here, just willing to help. Take care MH

Messages In This Thread

Optimum running lights sought
Dan -- Wednesday, 13 December 2000, at 10:08 p.m.
Meaning of *NM*
Nick Schade -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 9:55 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 12:32 p.m.
Re: Red Strobes
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 1:25 p.m.
Strobes are considered distress signals...
Jabberwocky -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 4:43 p.m.
2000 was a good year
shawn baker -- Tuesday, 16 November 2004, at 4:18 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
risto -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 1:31 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Capt. M. Hamilton -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 6:19 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Dan -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 7:56 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Lee -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 11:12 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 1:32 a.m.
Funny, I thought the exact same thing
Jerry -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 11:58 a.m.
Re: Funny, I thought the exact same thing
Will -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:11 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 12:34 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:11 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 1:37 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
M. Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 4:00 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
MH again -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 4:06 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 1:03 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
MH -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 10:57 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 2:22 p.m.
Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
mike allen ---> -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 7:52 p.m.
Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:04 p.m.
Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:31 p.m.
Red flasher only on rudolph
mike allen ---> -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 1:55 p.m.
Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
Earl Bailey -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 2:52 p.m.
Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
FBC -- Thursday, 21 December 2000, at 7:19 p.m.
lights used
tom -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 1:09 a.m.
Re: lights used
M.Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 11:41 a.m.
High Speed Drunks *Pic*
Robert Woodard -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 5:00 p.m.
Re: High Speed Drunks
Ian Johnston -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:48 p.m.
Re: Thanks for locating the photo *NM*
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:48 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 11:48 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 12:49 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 2:09 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Terry -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 7:25 p.m.
running lights thread
risto -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 8:22 a.m.
Re: running lights thread
M.Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 12:28 p.m.
Re: running lights thread
risto -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 3:28 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
David -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 9:06 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Will -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:01 p.m.
Thank you, all!
Les Groby -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 12:15 p.m.
hearing
tom -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 7:36 p.m.
Re: hearing
Don Beale -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 1:11 a.m.
Re: hearing
MH -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 11:00 p.m.
No Strobes; link to red-green bow lights *LINK*
Mark -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 9:41 a.m.
Re: No Strobes; link to red-green bow lights
Tim Mattson -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 1:46 p.m.
Re: All round white light
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 3:15 p.m.
What is so hard!!!
Capt. M. hamilton -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 8:09 p.m.
Re: What is so hard!!!
LeeG -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 9:45 p.m.
Re: What is so hard!!!
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 10:16 p.m.
Re: What is so hard!!!
LeeG -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:15 p.m.
Different regs *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:47 p.m.
Re: What is so hard!!!
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:58 p.m.
Coastal vs. Inland
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:09 p.m.
Re: Coastal vs. Inland
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:28 p.m.
Re: I'll accept your apology later
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 11:06 p.m.
What is so hard!--Look here...
Mark -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:17 a.m.
Ya'll still don't get it
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 1:34 p.m.
One problem
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:29 p.m.
Problem two
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:40 p.m.
Re: Problem two
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:11 p.m.
360 white means at anchor only? WRONG!!!
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:49 p.m.
Canada US differences too! Be careful with advice.
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:52 p.m.
Last word from me on this
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 6:03 p.m.
Re: Last word from me on this
Brian Nystrom -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 9:38 a.m.
Re: Last word from me on this
Robert Woodard -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 10:23 a.m.
Re: Last word from me on this
mark -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 12:40 p.m.
Re: Last word from me on this
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 2:05 p.m.
Re: My Last Word
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 4:24 p.m.
information dissemination
Karl -- Friday, 6 August 2004, at 2:55 p.m.
Re: information dissemination
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 11 August 2004, at 6:37 p.m.
Re: information dissemination
Karl -- Thursday, 12 August 2004, at 12:07 a.m.
Re: 360 white means at anchor only? WRONG!!!
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:46 p.m.
Re: Display in time
Roy Morford -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 1:28 a.m.
Re: Display in time
LeeG -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 8:18 a.m.
Re: Display in time
Karl -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 12:19 p.m.
Right of way
Kris Buttermore -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 7:29 p.m.
Re: Right of way
Karl -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:13 p.m.
Re: Kayakers have right of way.....
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:19 p.m.
Re: Kayakers NEVER have right of way.....
Kris Buttermore -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:58 p.m.
Re: Kayakers NEVER have right of way.....
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 1:55 p.m.
RIGHT OF WAY can be given but not taken
Reg Lake -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 2:02 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Robert Woodard -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:10 p.m.
I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:42 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
haresfur -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 11:32 p.m.
Re: I guess that would be a headlight!!! *NM*
Roy Morford -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 1:20 a.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 7:59 a.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
LeeG -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 8:37 a.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Ed Hopkins -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:31 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:49 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Ed Hopkins -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 5:46 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 11 August 2004, at 6:40 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
haresfur -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 12:18 a.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Karl -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 12:25 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 11:27 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 11:31 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 7:10 a.m.
Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 7:39 p.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
martin lister -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 10:36 p.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK* *Pic*
Mike Massey -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:05 a.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests
Tim Mattson -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:01 p.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests - Tim is right
Roy Morford -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 4:18 p.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests - Tim is right *LINK* *Pic*
Mike Massey -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 4:33 a.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests - novice question
Evan Shaw -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 8:47 a.m.
good question,,,consumer culture
LeeG -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:47 a.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kelly -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:03 p.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 10:03 a.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests
Mike Massey -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 4:15 p.m.
TekTite lights *LINK*
Will -- Thursday, 11 November 2004, at 1:33 a.m.
Re: TekTite lights - call them to order
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 10:30 a.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests
Don Lucas -- Wednesday, 17 November 2004, at 12:13 p.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests
Kris Buttermore -- Thursday, 18 November 2004, at 10:50 a.m.

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