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Re: Optimum running lights sought

Posted By: Capt. M. Hamilton
Date: Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 6:19 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Optimum running lights sought (Todd Bradshaw)

TEB. I listed the capt. in my name, as I am a USGC Master, so when I give advice it is accurate to the best of my knowledge, and usually researched before posting. This doesn't make me smarter or better that any of you guys, but it does mean that I had to pass several CG tests and have many many days on the water, so I only mean to help. It is not legal to display a red strobe! It would be overlooked in an emergency, but it is not allowed in either Inland or International Rules. Perhaps some state bodies of water have ammendments to this, but i doubt that. On inland waters a high intensity white flashing light (50-70 times/min) can be used as AN EMERGENCY SIGNALING DEVICE, not as a running light!!!!! International waters do not allow officially for a strobe, but no one will mind if you use it only for an emegency! While it is admirable to try your best to be seen, the bottom line is simply that travelling by kayak in the dark in heavily congested waters is foolish, which violates Rule #1 of good seamanship. Sea kayakers should pick up a copy of the USCG Navigation Rules and spend some time understanding them. The problem with doing your own thing outside of these rules is that mariners will not understand what they are seeing! For example, If I'm running my water taxi in the dark in the San Juans and I see a strobe going off, I will immediately head for it WHILE talking to the Coast Guard on the VHF! In your efforts to do right you may be doing more harm, so best to play by the Rules, which are very specific and applicable to ALL vessels. If the rules do not satisfy your need for safety, then it isn't safe to be out there. We cannot break or modify these rules because we are kayakers!

Messages In This Thread

Optimum running lights sought
Dan -- Wednesday, 13 December 2000, at 10:08 p.m.

Meaning of *NM*
Nick Schade -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 9:55 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 12:32 p.m.

Re: Red Strobes
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 1:25 p.m.

Strobes are considered distress signals...
Jabberwocky -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 4:43 p.m.

2000 was a good year
shawn baker -- Tuesday, 16 November 2004, at 4:18 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
risto -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 1:31 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Capt. M. Hamilton -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 6:19 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Dan -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 7:56 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Lee -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 11:12 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 1:32 a.m.

Funny, I thought the exact same thing
Jerry -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 11:58 a.m.

Re: Funny, I thought the exact same thing
Will -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:11 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 12:34 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:11 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 1:37 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M. Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 4:00 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
MH again -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 4:06 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 1:03 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
MH -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 10:57 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 2:22 p.m.

Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
mike allen ---> -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 7:52 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:04 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:31 p.m.

Red flasher only on rudolph
mike allen ---> -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 1:55 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
Earl Bailey -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 2:52 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
FBC -- Thursday, 21 December 2000, at 7:19 p.m.

lights used
tom -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 1:09 a.m.

Re: lights used
M.Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 11:41 a.m.

High Speed Drunks *Pic*
Robert Woodard -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 5:00 p.m.

Re: High Speed Drunks
Ian Johnston -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:48 p.m.

Re: Thanks for locating the photo *NM*
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:48 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 11:48 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 12:49 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 2:09 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Terry -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 7:25 p.m.

running lights thread
risto -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 8:22 a.m.

Re: running lights thread
M.Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 12:28 p.m.

Re: running lights thread
risto -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 3:28 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
David -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 9:06 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Will -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:01 p.m.

Thank you, all!
Les Groby -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 12:15 p.m.

hearing
tom -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 7:36 p.m.

Re: hearing
Don Beale -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 1:11 a.m.

Re: hearing
MH -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 11:00 p.m.

No Strobes; link to red-green bow lights *LINK*
Mark -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 9:41 a.m.

Re: No Strobes; link to red-green bow lights
Tim Mattson -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 1:46 p.m.

Re: All round white light
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 3:15 p.m.

What is so hard!!!
Capt. M. hamilton -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 8:09 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
LeeG -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 9:45 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 10:16 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
LeeG -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:15 p.m.

Different regs *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:47 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:58 p.m.

Coastal vs. Inland
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:09 p.m.

Re: Coastal vs. Inland
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:28 p.m.

Re: I'll accept your apology later
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 11:06 p.m.

What is so hard!--Look here...
Mark -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:17 a.m.

Ya'll still don't get it
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 1:34 p.m.

One problem
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:29 p.m.

Problem two
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:40 p.m.

Re: Problem two
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:11 p.m.

360 white means at anchor only? WRONG!!!
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:49 p.m.

Canada US differences too! Be careful with advice.
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:52 p.m.

Last word from me on this
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 6:03 p.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
Brian Nystrom -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 9:38 a.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
Robert Woodard -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 10:23 a.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
mark -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 12:40 p.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 2:05 p.m.

Re: My Last Word
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 4:24 p.m.

information dissemination
Karl -- Friday, 6 August 2004, at 2:55 p.m.

Re: information dissemination
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 11 August 2004, at 6:37 p.m.

Re: information dissemination
Karl -- Thursday, 12 August 2004, at 12:07 a.m.

Re: 360 white means at anchor only? WRONG!!!
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:46 p.m.

Re: Display in time
Roy Morford -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 1:28 a.m.

Re: Display in time
LeeG -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 8:18 a.m.

Re: Display in time
Karl -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 12:19 p.m.

Right of way
Kris Buttermore -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 7:29 p.m.

Re: Right of way
Karl -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:13 p.m.

Re: Kayakers have right of way.....
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:19 p.m.

Re: Kayakers NEVER have right of way.....
Kris Buttermore -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:58 p.m.

Re: Kayakers NEVER have right of way.....
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 1:55 p.m.

RIGHT OF WAY can be given but not taken
Reg Lake -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 2:02 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Robert Woodard -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:10 p.m.

I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:42 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
haresfur -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 11:32 p.m.

Re: I guess that would be a headlight!!! *NM*
Roy Morford -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 1:20 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 7:59 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
LeeG -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 8:37 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Ed Hopkins -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:31 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:49 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Ed Hopkins -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 5:46 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 11 August 2004, at 6:40 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
haresfur -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 12:18 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Karl -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 12:25 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 11:27 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 11:31 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 7:10 a.m.

Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 7:39 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
martin lister -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 10:36 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK* *Pic*
Mike Massey -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:05 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Tim Mattson -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:01 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests - Tim is right
Roy Morford -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 4:18 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests - Tim is right *LINK* *Pic*
Mike Massey -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 4:33 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests - novice question
Evan Shaw -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 8:47 a.m.

good question,,,consumer culture
LeeG -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:47 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kelly -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:03 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 10:03 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Mike Massey -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 4:15 p.m.

TekTite lights *LINK*
Will -- Thursday, 11 November 2004, at 1:33 a.m.

Re: TekTite lights - call them to order
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 10:30 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Don Lucas -- Wednesday, 17 November 2004, at 12:13 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Kris Buttermore -- Thursday, 18 November 2004, at 10:50 a.m.

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