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Re: clarification - - -

Posted By: Brian Nystrom
Date: Friday, 1 December 2000, at 11:24 a.m.

In Response To: clarification - - - (dan)

: you said: The hand pump is then stuck down the front of the spray skirt
: tunnel and the cockpit is pumped out. If I were rescuing someone with a
: footpump. I'd expect them to use that, or both the foot and hand pumps
: simultaneously.

: ---> i've not had much luck trying to cram the handheld down the spraydeck
: tube .. the legs get in the way. i usually put the spraydeck fully on but
: for an opening in the front corner (just in front of the legs, on the lee
: side of the incoming wind and water and pump out using the handheld. if
: the victims boat is equipped with a foot pump or even a chimp, and he's in
: decent shape to help, i'd have him do so.

Interesting. In the live rescues I've done, the pump-down-the-skirt method has worked OK. One big difference is that the victim has done the pumping, while I stabilized both boats. I cannot imagine having to stabilize the boats AND pump out the victim's boat.

: you said: Are you suggesting that the victim be left in the water until the
: rescuer pumps out the boat?

: ---> no, of course not. i meant that when turning the victims boat over
: and emptying it in rough water, alot of folks are too quick to right the
: boat (or do it poorly) and get it back in the water in order to get the
: victim back into it ... thus leaving the boat half full of water and
: necessitating a pump out. i want to get the victim back into a virtually
: dry boat and am suggesting that this is (a) only possible if you've got
: good boat over boat technique and (b) the victims boat has a bulkhead
: right behind the seat facilitating full water run-out.

That makes sense.

: you said: However, if the conditions are too rough for boat-over-boat
: emptying, i've been taught that getting the victim back into the boat with
: the spray skirt sealed is paramount. The rescuer then stabilizes the
: victim's boat
: while the victim pumps. It may take some time to do this, but I've found it
: to be a very stable position, even in surf. If nothing else, simply being
: back in the boat is a big psychological boost.

: ---> agreed. ever run a rescue when the victim is in 'shock' and can't
: participate in the rescue. now there's an event! stabilizing the victims
: boat AND pumping it with a handheld at the same time AND setting his boat
: up for a stabilized tow. boy i hate when that happens. hahahaha ...

Can't say I've done that and I hope I never have to. I typically paddle in groups of three or larger which will hopefully prevent such a scenario from becoming a disaster. I have done one surf rescue using a tow from a third person to keep us pointed into the waves (her bow and my stern). Had we not had the third person, I probably would have just stabilized her boat and let the surf take us both into the beach, which would not have been a problem in that particular case.

Messages In This Thread

bilge pumps
Dwight -- Wednesday, 29 November 2000, at 7:36 p.m.
Re: bilge pumps
dave mcadoo -- Wednesday, 29 November 2000, at 9:33 p.m.
Foot and deck pumps
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 30 November 2000, at 11:34 a.m.
foot pumps and hand helds - - -
dan -- Thursday, 30 November 2000, at 12:50 p.m.
Re: foot pumps and hand helds - - -
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 30 November 2000, at 5:03 p.m.
clarification - - -
dan -- Thursday, 30 November 2000, at 5:30 p.m.
pfd leash victim stabilization
mike allen ---} -- Thursday, 30 November 2000, at 8:58 p.m.
Re: clarification - - -
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 1 December 2000, at 11:24 a.m.
Re: handpump down the skirt tube...
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 1 December 2000, at 12:36 p.m.
Re: handpump down the skirt tube...
Jed -- Saturday, 2 December 2000, at 12:46 a.m.
Hand vs. deck. vs. foot
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 4 December 2000, at 1:17 p.m.
Re: Hand vs. deck. vs. foot
Jed -- Monday, 4 December 2000, at 2:41 p.m.
Re: Hand vs. deck. vs. foot
Brian Nystrom -- Tuesday, 5 December 2000, at 2:59 p.m.
Re: Electric Is It !
Ian Johnston -- Saturday, 2 December 2000, at 3:14 a.m.
foot pumps, electric pumps ... rolls - - - -
liv2padl -- Saturday, 2 December 2000, at 7:19 a.m.
Re: Electric Is It !
Bert -- Saturday, 2 December 2000, at 7:48 a.m.
Re: 'lectric pumps
Ian Johnston -- Saturday, 2 December 2000, at 11:51 a.m.
Re: 'lectric pumps
Jo Lefler -- Saturday, 2 December 2000, at 6:15 p.m.
Re: 'lectric pumps
Todd Bradshaw -- Sunday, 3 December 2000, at 1:11 p.m.
Re: Batteries
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 3 December 2000, at 9:38 p.m.
Re: 'lectric pumps
Robert Woodard -- Sunday, 3 December 2000, at 8:53 p.m.
Re: 'lectric pumps
Bert -- Tuesday, 5 December 2000, at 7:03 a.m.
Pump outlet location
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 4 December 2000, at 1:00 p.m.
Re: Pump outlet location
risto -- Thursday, 7 December 2000, at 11:53 a.m.
Re: Pump outlet location
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 7 December 2000, at 12:24 p.m.
Re: Pump outlet location
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 7 December 2000, at 12:49 p.m.
Re: Pump outlet location
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 7 December 2000, at 9:07 p.m.
Hard to say
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 7 December 2000, at 12:42 p.m.
The last thing you want?
Jed -- Thursday, 7 December 2000, at 2:38 p.m.
Re: bilge pumps
Greg Stamer -- Wednesday, 29 November 2000, at 11:09 p.m.
Re: bilge pumps
Tom Dowling -- Thursday, 30 November 2000, at 12:17 p.m.
Re: bilge pumps
Lee -- Thursday, 30 November 2000, at 6:30 p.m.
Re: bilge pumps
Carl Tjerandsen -- Saturday, 2 December 2000, at 7:54 p.m.

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