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Rolling? The boat fit matters

Posted By: Ray
Date: Thursday, 7 September 2000, at 8:30 a.m.

In Response To: Rolling? Does the boat matter? (Craig Bumgarner)

More generally do width, weight, shape and volume effect
: "rollability"? What effect might other design aspects have?

Craig,

I'm in the same "boat", ie learning to roll. I have found one very important factor is good fit in the boat, specifically no side movement in the hips, and good grip with the thighs to get the snap to work.

I'm working with two boats, a Mariner I, and a Boreal Ellesmere, both of which are easy rollers, due to good seat fit especially in the Ellesmere which feels moulded to me (yet its very comfortable for two hours at least), plus having a narrow hull, low flat rear deck, and upswept ends. I have tried other narrow hulls but if the seat fit is not snug, its a lot harder.

All else being the same, a wider higher deck boat will be harder, and usually these have loose fit seats, compounding the problem. So, get a snug fit above all else.

Derek Hutchinson's rolling book even suggests a piece of wood wedged across the thighs or knees to help holding on, but I'd make sure you can exit before trying this. His point is clear though. BTW its a good book and very helpful. His land drill excercise really works to build muscle memory and instinct, which easily translates to under water.

I can do an extended Pawlata roll now, and its a lot of fun.

Ray

Messages In This Thread

What I learned in rolling today...
Don Beale -- Monday, 4 September 2000, at 7:30 p.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
M. Hamilton -- Monday, 4 September 2000, at 8:40 p.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Don Beale -- Monday, 4 September 2000, at 10:27 p.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Jed -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 9:34 a.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
David -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 9:46 a.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Don Beale -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 12:24 p.m.
A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
Jed -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 5:08 p.m.
Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
David -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 12:16 a.m.
Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
M. Hamilton -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 11:33 a.m.
Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
Roger -- Thursday, 7 September 2000, at 5:34 p.m.
Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
Greg Stamer -- Thursday, 7 September 2000, at 7:09 p.m.
The Great Rolling Technique Debate
Jed -- Friday, 8 September 2000, at 12:03 p.m.
Re: The Great Rolling Technique Debate
Jed -- Friday, 8 September 2000, at 12:06 p.m.
Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
M. Hamilton -- Thursday, 7 September 2000, at 7:13 p.m.
As an instructor you need to do them all *LINK*
C.Spelius -- Thursday, 25 January 2007, at 5:12 p.m.
Re: As an instructor you need to do them all
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 25 January 2007, at 7:46 p.m.
Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
Nick Schade -- Friday, 8 September 2000, at 9:22 a.m.
Re: SanJuan Safety...
M. Hamilton -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 2:55 p.m.
Re: SanJuan Safety...
David -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 12:02 a.m.
Re: School Safety...
Shawn B. -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 2:58 p.m.
Re: School Safety...
Don Beale -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 6:01 p.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Robert Woodard -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 8:27 p.m.
Re: "Anybody out there with glasses "
Mick -- Wednesday, 31 March 2004, at 6:23 p.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Ed Deery -- Monday, 15 January 2007, at 11:31 p.m.
Sunglasses and rolling
Malcolm Schweizer -- Tuesday, 16 January 2007, at 6:24 p.m.
Re: Sunglasses and rolling
Mike Savage -- Tuesday, 16 January 2007, at 6:44 p.m.
Re: Sunglasses and rolling
Andy Waddington -- Monday, 22 January 2007, at 4:55 a.m.
Re: What I learned in rolling today...
martin lister -- Wednesday, 17 January 2007, at 12:03 a.m.
Yes, Yes, Yes !!!
Jed -- Monday, 4 September 2000, at 10:33 p.m.
Rolling? Does the boat matter?
Craig Bumgarner -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 8:43 a.m.
Re: Rolling? Does the boat matter?
Nick Schade -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 9:22 a.m.
Re: Rolling? Does the boat matter?
WesT -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 5:51 p.m.
Rolling? The boat fit matters
Ray -- Thursday, 7 September 2000, at 8:30 a.m.
Same as I always say
Mick -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 12:22 a.m.
Re: Same as I always say
sing -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 7:36 a.m.
Rolling summaries by EJ and KenK
Nelson Labbé -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 9:04 a.m.
Re: Rolling summaries by EJ and KenK
sing -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 11:08 a.m.
Apology..
sing -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 11:10 a.m.
Re: Rolling summaries by EJ and KenK
mick -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 9:31 a.m.
Sorry, Mick
sing -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 11:53 a.m.
Re: Sorry, Mick
MikeA -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 6:47 p.m.
What about all-rounders ? *LINK*
mick -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 7:05 p.m.
Re: What about all-rounders ? *LINK*
sing -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 6:37 a.m.
Link *NM* *LINK*
sing -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 6:40 a.m.
Re: Kayak Jumping *LINK*
Klas Kreutzman -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 5:08 p.m.
Re: Kayak Jumping
sing -- Thursday, 8 April 2004, at 10:04 a.m.
Re: Kayak Jumping *LINK*
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 8 April 2004, at 1:53 p.m.
Okay... I'll ask...
sing -- Thursday, 8 April 2004, at 3:23 p.m.
Way to go Sing !
mick -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 1:36 a.m.
Some Aussie waveski action *LINK*
mick -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 7:50 a.m.
Re: Some Aussie waveski action
sing -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 11:10 a.m.
Re: Some Aussie waveski action
mick -- Monday, 12 April 2004, at 1:42 a.m.
Re: What about all-rounders ?
MikeA -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 10:35 a.m.
It's cool
mick -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 6:53 p.m.
I hear ya; Love the Greenland Paddle
Nelson Labbé -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 9:04 a.m.
Re: I hear ya; Love the Greenland Paddle
sing -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 5:19 a.m.

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