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Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?

Posted By: M. Hamilton
Date: Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 11:33 a.m.

In Response To: Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side? (David)

I agree with David here. For some it's just easier for them to focus on a good sweep while relaxing the torso and following the blade with the torso. What you often see is that they THINK they are sweeping way back when in fact they are just getting positioned to do a hip snap. I use all sorts of weird tricks to get people to do what I want them to all the while letting them think they are doing what they want. Sounds strange, but it works. Perfect example is a San Juan guide I worked with this summer. Very strong and also stiff. Guy was locked under the kayak. By focusing on loosining up and sweeping his torso around with head IN THE WATER he quickly had a powerful sweep roll with a strong snap. Now I'm having him focus on snaping sooner and he is doing very well. I tend to hammer people pretty hard once they are rolling, as this is just the start. Tricks like 10 rolls in 30 seconds, etc.. get them to be more instinctive. I like what Jed and others say, I just think we all have different ways of arriving at the same basic result. Different students need different approaches. I enjoy this board and have learned from it - A hell of a lot about Gore Tex which I've worn for years.

Messages In This Thread

What I learned in rolling today...
Don Beale -- Monday, 4 September 2000, at 7:30 p.m.

Re: What I learned in rolling today...
M. Hamilton -- Monday, 4 September 2000, at 8:40 p.m.

Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Don Beale -- Monday, 4 September 2000, at 10:27 p.m.

Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Jed -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 9:34 a.m.

Re: What I learned in rolling today...
David -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 9:46 a.m.

Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Don Beale -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 12:24 p.m.

A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
Jed -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 5:08 p.m.

Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
David -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 12:16 a.m.

Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
M. Hamilton -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 11:33 a.m.

Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
Roger -- Thursday, 7 September 2000, at 5:34 p.m.

Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
Greg Stamer -- Thursday, 7 September 2000, at 7:09 p.m.

The Great Rolling Technique Debate
Jed -- Friday, 8 September 2000, at 12:03 p.m.

Re: The Great Rolling Technique Debate
Jed -- Friday, 8 September 2000, at 12:06 p.m.

Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
M. Hamilton -- Thursday, 7 September 2000, at 7:13 p.m.

As an instructor you need to do them all *LINK*
C.Spelius -- Thursday, 25 January 2007, at 5:12 p.m.

Re: As an instructor you need to do them all
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 25 January 2007, at 7:46 p.m.

Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
Nick Schade -- Friday, 8 September 2000, at 9:22 a.m.

Re: SanJuan Safety...
M. Hamilton -- Tuesday, 5 September 2000, at 2:55 p.m.

Re: SanJuan Safety...
David -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 12:02 a.m.

Re: School Safety...
Shawn B. -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 2:58 p.m.

Re: School Safety...
Don Beale -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 6:01 p.m.

Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Robert Woodard -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 8:27 p.m.

Re: "Anybody out there with glasses "
Mick -- Wednesday, 31 March 2004, at 6:23 p.m.

Re: What I learned in rolling today...
Ed Deery -- Monday, 15 January 2007, at 11:31 p.m.

Sunglasses and rolling
Malcolm Schweizer -- Tuesday, 16 January 2007, at 6:24 p.m.

Re: Sunglasses and rolling
Mike Savage -- Tuesday, 16 January 2007, at 6:44 p.m.

Re: Sunglasses and rolling
Andy Waddington -- Monday, 22 January 2007, at 4:55 a.m.

Re: What I learned in rolling today...
martin lister -- Wednesday, 17 January 2007, at 12:03 a.m.

Yes, Yes, Yes !!!
Jed -- Monday, 4 September 2000, at 10:33 p.m.

Rolling? Does the boat matter?
Craig Bumgarner -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 8:43 a.m.

Re: Rolling? Does the boat matter?
Nick Schade -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 9:22 a.m.

Re: Rolling? Does the boat matter?
WesT -- Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 5:51 p.m.

Rolling? The boat fit matters
Ray -- Thursday, 7 September 2000, at 8:30 a.m.

Same as I always say
Mick -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 12:22 a.m.

Re: Same as I always say
sing -- Thursday, 1 April 2004, at 7:36 a.m.

Rolling summaries by EJ and KenK
Nelson Labbé -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 9:04 a.m.

Re: Rolling summaries by EJ and KenK
sing -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 11:08 a.m.

Apology..
sing -- Monday, 5 April 2004, at 11:10 a.m.

Re: Rolling summaries by EJ and KenK
mick -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 9:31 a.m.

Sorry, Mick
sing -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 11:53 a.m.

Re: Sorry, Mick
MikeA -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 6:47 p.m.

What about all-rounders ? *LINK*
mick -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 7:05 p.m.

Re: What about all-rounders ? *LINK*
sing -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 6:37 a.m.

Link *NM* *LINK*
sing -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 6:40 a.m.

Re: Kayak Jumping *LINK*
Klas Kreutzman -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 5:08 p.m.

Re: Kayak Jumping
sing -- Thursday, 8 April 2004, at 10:04 a.m.

Re: Kayak Jumping *LINK*
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 8 April 2004, at 1:53 p.m.

Okay... I'll ask...
sing -- Thursday, 8 April 2004, at 3:23 p.m.

Way to go Sing !
mick -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 1:36 a.m.

Some Aussie waveski action *LINK*
mick -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 7:50 a.m.

Re: Some Aussie waveski action
sing -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 11:10 a.m.

Re: Some Aussie waveski action
mick -- Monday, 12 April 2004, at 1:42 a.m.

Re: What about all-rounders ?
MikeA -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 10:35 a.m.

It's cool
mick -- Tuesday, 6 April 2004, at 6:53 p.m.

I hear ya; Love the Greenland Paddle
Nelson Labbé -- Wednesday, 7 April 2004, at 9:04 a.m.

Re: I hear ya; Love the Greenland Paddle
sing -- Friday, 9 April 2004, at 5:19 a.m.

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