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Re: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side?
Posted By: David In Response To: A matter of opinion - lay back or to the side? (Jed)
Date: Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at 12:16 a.m.
: This is a matter of opinion !!!
: In my experience you are better off avoiding the layback because it limits
: the effectiveness of the hipsnap. The strongest hipsnap is available only
: when your upperbody is held at 90°'s to the longitudinal axis of the boat.
: In this position you have the greatest sideways flexability which will
: allow you to raise your center of bouyancy. Since the hipsnap is so
: important, anything that limits it's power should be avoided, in my
: opinion.: The use of a layback can assist some rolls, but the layback is neither
: required nor desired in many rolls. Watch the "Grace Under
: Pressure" video and you'll see this guy hand roll leaning only to the
: side! With no layback! A layback during the roll may bring you upright but
: you'll be laying on your rear deck! Not a good position for a paddler to
: deal with any kind of conditions.: Many people use laybacks as a way to mask a weak hipsnap. While it is
: possible to perform a layback after the hipsnap, in real life many people
: never finish the hip snap in order to do a layback, hurting their roll in
: the process. The best rollers that I have ever seen come up on their side
: not on their back. Sorry to disagree so strongly Dave, but all I hold dear
: and true runs counter to your advise to lay back during the roll and your
: opinion that the layback is important to a successfull roll. My own hand
: rolls are strongest when I remember *NOT* to layback but rather commit
: fully to the hipsnap.: Respectfully,
: Jed
Jed
No argument here. This is just one way that I get people to visualize the hip snap when it isn't coming around. To stick with the layback would be an error. Some people use the hip snap just fine, some find the layback opens up some possibilities. The fact that the PFD tends to push you up against the boat when you are underneath, becomes a strength if you use the layback. But I do agree that to stop at this point is problematic, and for some people, the layback doesn't do anything, they just get the feeling of hip snap from raising the opposite side knee. Whatever it takes to get them snapping! The sense I get is that you have a lot of rolling experience, and I am not going to disagree with you on this one. It just sometimes helps folks get the kayak moving on its axis, and gets them out of reliance on muscle power and hard sweeping strokes, and does encourage them to keep their head in the water until the last second.
Thanks for the clarification Jed.
David
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