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Re: Kayakers NEVER have right of way.....

Posted By: Kris Buttermore
Date: Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:58 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Kayakers have right of way..... (Shawn Baker)

This is probably worthy of it's own thread - as most posts I have seen tell me a lot of paddlers are clueless on this. I am surprised that so far the respondents all agree and understand the rules. Usually this topic gets a different set of responses.

I frequently see posts on boards where people advocate blowing whistle and air horns and waving paddles (requires one to stop paddling!) - while expecting other vessels to give way and avoid them - rather than just moving! Their belief that they have any sort of right of way puts them at risk and endangers other vessels.

Part of these differences have to do with location though.

I paddle coastal waters, ICW, tidal river, etc. Lot's of busy waterways and a fairly busy port. Traffic has channels to follow for the most part. Rules are useful and make sense here. Giving way to all other vessels is easiest and most logical way to operate a kayak here. Generally very easy to stay mostly out of the way, and to time channel and port crossings with plenty of time. The bigger the boat, the less I'm likely to have any issues with it. Ski boats and PWCs bear more watching than a cruise ship, tanker, or mega-yacht. Act like a boat - no problems. Act like a water toy - good luck (applies to lighting here as well - r/g/w setup is much appreciated - waving a flashlight, while in regs, would irritate others or indicate you needed their help).

Many paddlers are on inland lakes and large rivers with lots of smaller pleasure boats, bass boats and PWCs that follow no traffic lanes and operate at high speeds. Very different situation. More of a free for all. Everything afloat is a toy. Makes me glad I paddle where I do.

Messages In This Thread

Optimum running lights sought
Dan -- Wednesday, 13 December 2000, at 10:08 p.m.

Meaning of *NM*
Nick Schade -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 9:55 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 12:32 p.m.

Re: Red Strobes
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 1:25 p.m.

Strobes are considered distress signals...
Jabberwocky -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 4:43 p.m.

2000 was a good year
shawn baker -- Tuesday, 16 November 2004, at 4:18 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
risto -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 1:31 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Capt. M. Hamilton -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 6:19 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Dan -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 7:56 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Lee -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 11:12 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 1:32 a.m.

Funny, I thought the exact same thing
Jerry -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 11:58 a.m.

Re: Funny, I thought the exact same thing
Will -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:11 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 12:34 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:11 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 1:37 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M. Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 4:00 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
MH again -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 4:06 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 1:03 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
MH -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 10:57 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 2:22 p.m.

Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
mike allen ---> -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 7:52 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:04 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:31 p.m.

Red flasher only on rudolph
mike allen ---> -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 1:55 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
Earl Bailey -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 2:52 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
FBC -- Thursday, 21 December 2000, at 7:19 p.m.

lights used
tom -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 1:09 a.m.

Re: lights used
M.Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 11:41 a.m.

High Speed Drunks *Pic*
Robert Woodard -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 5:00 p.m.

Re: High Speed Drunks
Ian Johnston -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:48 p.m.

Re: Thanks for locating the photo *NM*
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:48 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 11:48 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 12:49 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 2:09 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Terry -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 7:25 p.m.

running lights thread
risto -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 8:22 a.m.

Re: running lights thread
M.Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 12:28 p.m.

Re: running lights thread
risto -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 3:28 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
David -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 9:06 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Will -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:01 p.m.

Thank you, all!
Les Groby -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 12:15 p.m.

hearing
tom -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 7:36 p.m.

Re: hearing
Don Beale -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 1:11 a.m.

Re: hearing
MH -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 11:00 p.m.

No Strobes; link to red-green bow lights *LINK*
Mark -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 9:41 a.m.

Re: No Strobes; link to red-green bow lights
Tim Mattson -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 1:46 p.m.

Re: All round white light
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 3:15 p.m.

What is so hard!!!
Capt. M. hamilton -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 8:09 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
LeeG -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 9:45 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 10:16 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
LeeG -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:15 p.m.

Different regs *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:47 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:58 p.m.

Coastal vs. Inland
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:09 p.m.

Re: Coastal vs. Inland
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:28 p.m.

Re: I'll accept your apology later
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 11:06 p.m.

What is so hard!--Look here...
Mark -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:17 a.m.

Ya'll still don't get it
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 1:34 p.m.

One problem
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:29 p.m.

Problem two
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:40 p.m.

Re: Problem two
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:11 p.m.

360 white means at anchor only? WRONG!!!
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:49 p.m.

Canada US differences too! Be careful with advice.
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:52 p.m.

Last word from me on this
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 6:03 p.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
Brian Nystrom -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 9:38 a.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
Robert Woodard -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 10:23 a.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
mark -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 12:40 p.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 2:05 p.m.

Re: My Last Word
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 4:24 p.m.

information dissemination
Karl -- Friday, 6 August 2004, at 2:55 p.m.

Re: information dissemination
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 11 August 2004, at 6:37 p.m.

Re: information dissemination
Karl -- Thursday, 12 August 2004, at 12:07 a.m.

Re: 360 white means at anchor only? WRONG!!!
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:46 p.m.

Re: Display in time
Roy Morford -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 1:28 a.m.

Re: Display in time
LeeG -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 8:18 a.m.

Re: Display in time
Karl -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 12:19 p.m.

Right of way
Kris Buttermore -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 7:29 p.m.

Re: Right of way
Karl -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:13 p.m.

Re: Kayakers have right of way.....
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:19 p.m.

Re: Kayakers NEVER have right of way.....
Kris Buttermore -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:58 p.m.

Re: Kayakers NEVER have right of way.....
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 1:55 p.m.

RIGHT OF WAY can be given but not taken
Reg Lake -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 2:02 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Robert Woodard -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:10 p.m.

I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:42 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
haresfur -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 11:32 p.m.

Re: I guess that would be a headlight!!! *NM*
Roy Morford -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 1:20 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 7:59 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
LeeG -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 8:37 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Ed Hopkins -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:31 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:49 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Ed Hopkins -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 5:46 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 11 August 2004, at 6:40 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
haresfur -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 12:18 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Karl -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 12:25 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 11:27 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 11:31 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 7:10 a.m.

Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 7:39 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
martin lister -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 10:36 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK* *Pic*
Mike Massey -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:05 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Tim Mattson -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:01 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests - Tim is right
Roy Morford -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 4:18 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests - Tim is right *LINK* *Pic*
Mike Massey -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 4:33 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests - novice question
Evan Shaw -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 8:47 a.m.

good question,,,consumer culture
LeeG -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:47 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kelly -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:03 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 10:03 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Mike Massey -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 4:15 p.m.

TekTite lights *LINK*
Will -- Thursday, 11 November 2004, at 1:33 a.m.

Re: TekTite lights - call them to order
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 10:30 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Don Lucas -- Wednesday, 17 November 2004, at 12:13 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Kris Buttermore -- Thursday, 18 November 2004, at 10:50 a.m.

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