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Re: Optimum running lights sought

Posted By: Robert Woodard
Date: Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:10 p.m.

In Response To: Optimum running lights sought (Dan)

Just to add my 2 cents to this hot topic:

Thanks to Mike for keeping the rules straight. I've paddled in various light configurations over the years and had various 'real world' results.

1) Paddling with a single white light on the PFD or attached to the deck draws attention from other boaters. Besides being wrong as Mike pointed out, on numerous occasions when I paddled like that I had boats come in close to try and figure out what the bobbing light was all about.

2) The single flashlight works well, but I've had some CG aux folks tell me my flashlight wasn't bright enough (this was prior to my current flashlight). By paddling 'dark', in uncongested waters I usually passed unnoticed and without drawing attention. The flashlight would warn other boats away, but boaters often came in closer to check me out once they noticed my flashlight. In today's post 9/11 world, paddling 'dark' is probably not a good idea. I now carry a 6 volt (floating) flashlight which is good for warning off boaters and can light up reflective signs from a long distance.

3) My current paddling lights are red/green lights on the bow - those temporary LED ones that someone posted a link to. For the white stern light I just dangle my white light off the back of my PFD. It is only visible from the rear (not 360 degrees), but doesn't meet the angle requirements required by the USCG. My experience with this setup is it makes me appear more like a boat, and boaters don't come in close just to check me out any more. I also carry that big flashlight I mentioned earlier - it is still a great thing to have if I'm worried someone might not see me, or I need to light up the shore or channel marker to get my bearings. Of course, this setup is only if I PLAN to be out after dark. If I get caught late getting back, then the big flashlight is all I use. The monster flashlight seems to do a better job of keeping boats from coming in close to check me out.

I don't paddle in harbor-like congestion, but do paddle at night on waters near Washington DC. Channel 'crossings' are pretty well limited to approach channels to marinas or creek channels and take only a few paddle strokes to cross.

It is important for everyone to realize that those temporary red/green lights don't meet USGC requirements either. The rules specify the angle of the light emitted (to include the stern white light). If someone would market the 'correct' lights (preferabbly long battery life LEDs, although the rules also specify minimum brightness) with a kayak in mind as for mounting and ability to turn on/off from the cockpit, they'd make a fortune... Think how much simpler this thread would be if you could just say "Go buy Mike's kayak marker lights - they are the only lights on the market made for a kayak that meet the rules"

Woody

Messages In This Thread

Optimum running lights sought
Dan -- Wednesday, 13 December 2000, at 10:08 p.m.
Meaning of *NM*
Nick Schade -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 9:55 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 12:32 p.m.
Re: Red Strobes
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 1:25 p.m.
Strobes are considered distress signals...
Jabberwocky -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 4:43 p.m.
2000 was a good year
shawn baker -- Tuesday, 16 November 2004, at 4:18 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
risto -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 1:31 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Capt. M. Hamilton -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 6:19 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Dan -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 7:56 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Lee -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 11:12 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 1:32 a.m.
Funny, I thought the exact same thing
Jerry -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 11:58 a.m.
Re: Funny, I thought the exact same thing
Will -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:11 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 12:34 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:11 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 1:37 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
M. Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 4:00 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
MH again -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 4:06 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 1:03 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
MH -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 10:57 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 2:22 p.m.
Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
mike allen ---> -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 7:52 p.m.
Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:04 p.m.
Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:31 p.m.
Red flasher only on rudolph
mike allen ---> -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 1:55 p.m.
Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
Earl Bailey -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 2:52 p.m.
Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
FBC -- Thursday, 21 December 2000, at 7:19 p.m.
lights used
tom -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 1:09 a.m.
Re: lights used
M.Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 11:41 a.m.
High Speed Drunks *Pic*
Robert Woodard -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 5:00 p.m.
Re: High Speed Drunks
Ian Johnston -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:48 p.m.
Re: Thanks for locating the photo *NM*
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:48 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 11:48 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 12:49 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 2:09 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Terry -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 7:25 p.m.
running lights thread
risto -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 8:22 a.m.
Re: running lights thread
M.Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 12:28 p.m.
Re: running lights thread
risto -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 3:28 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
David -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 9:06 a.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Will -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:01 p.m.
Thank you, all!
Les Groby -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 12:15 p.m.
hearing
tom -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 7:36 p.m.
Re: hearing
Don Beale -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 1:11 a.m.
Re: hearing
MH -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 11:00 p.m.
No Strobes; link to red-green bow lights *LINK*
Mark -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 9:41 a.m.
Re: No Strobes; link to red-green bow lights
Tim Mattson -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 1:46 p.m.
Re: All round white light
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 3:15 p.m.
What is so hard!!!
Capt. M. hamilton -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 8:09 p.m.
Re: What is so hard!!!
LeeG -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 9:45 p.m.
Re: What is so hard!!!
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 10:16 p.m.
Re: What is so hard!!!
LeeG -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:15 p.m.
Different regs *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:47 p.m.
Re: What is so hard!!!
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:58 p.m.
Coastal vs. Inland
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:09 p.m.
Re: Coastal vs. Inland
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:28 p.m.
Re: I'll accept your apology later
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 11:06 p.m.
What is so hard!--Look here...
Mark -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:17 a.m.
Ya'll still don't get it
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 1:34 p.m.
One problem
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:29 p.m.
Problem two
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:40 p.m.
Re: Problem two
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:11 p.m.
360 white means at anchor only? WRONG!!!
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:49 p.m.
Canada US differences too! Be careful with advice.
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:52 p.m.
Last word from me on this
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 6:03 p.m.
Re: Last word from me on this
Brian Nystrom -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 9:38 a.m.
Re: Last word from me on this
Robert Woodard -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 10:23 a.m.
Re: Last word from me on this
mark -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 12:40 p.m.
Re: Last word from me on this
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 2:05 p.m.
Re: My Last Word
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 4:24 p.m.
information dissemination
Karl -- Friday, 6 August 2004, at 2:55 p.m.
Re: information dissemination
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 11 August 2004, at 6:37 p.m.
Re: information dissemination
Karl -- Thursday, 12 August 2004, at 12:07 a.m.
Re: 360 white means at anchor only? WRONG!!!
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:46 p.m.
Re: Display in time
Roy Morford -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 1:28 a.m.
Re: Display in time
LeeG -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 8:18 a.m.
Re: Display in time
Karl -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 12:19 p.m.
Right of way
Kris Buttermore -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 7:29 p.m.
Re: Right of way
Karl -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:13 p.m.
Re: Kayakers have right of way.....
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:19 p.m.
Re: Kayakers NEVER have right of way.....
Kris Buttermore -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:58 p.m.
Re: Kayakers NEVER have right of way.....
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 1:55 p.m.
RIGHT OF WAY can be given but not taken
Reg Lake -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 2:02 p.m.
Re: Optimum running lights sought
Robert Woodard -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:10 p.m.
I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:42 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
haresfur -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 11:32 p.m.
Re: I guess that would be a headlight!!! *NM*
Roy Morford -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 1:20 a.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 7:59 a.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
LeeG -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 8:37 a.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Ed Hopkins -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:31 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:49 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Ed Hopkins -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 5:46 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 11 August 2004, at 6:40 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
haresfur -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 12:18 a.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Karl -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 12:25 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 11:27 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 11:31 p.m.
Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 7:10 a.m.
Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 7:39 p.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
martin lister -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 10:36 p.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK* *Pic*
Mike Massey -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:05 a.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests
Tim Mattson -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:01 p.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests - Tim is right
Roy Morford -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 4:18 p.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests - Tim is right *LINK* *Pic*
Mike Massey -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 4:33 a.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests - novice question
Evan Shaw -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 8:47 a.m.
good question,,,consumer culture
LeeG -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:47 a.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kelly -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:03 p.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 10:03 a.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests
Mike Massey -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 4:15 p.m.
TekTite lights *LINK*
Will -- Thursday, 11 November 2004, at 1:33 a.m.
Re: TekTite lights - call them to order
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 10:30 a.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests
Don Lucas -- Wednesday, 17 November 2004, at 12:13 p.m.
Re: Kayak lighting tests
Kris Buttermore -- Thursday, 18 November 2004, at 10:50 a.m.

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