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What is so hard!--Look here...

Posted By: Mark
Date: Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:17 a.m.

In Response To: What is so hard!!! (Capt. M. hamilton)

Mr. Hamilton,
Your message here is a flame. Messages like this are not appropriate, especilly when you are not correct.

I did the research and actually went to the GC station in NYC to make sure I was complying and making them happy.

I did some research and found documentation that shows the proper lighting for smaller vessels. Check out this site:

http://www.uscgboating.org/safety/fed_reqs/equ_nav.htm

If you will notice, this is from the US Coast Guard site...

For those of you that don't want to go there I will quote here:

"Vessel Under Oars (kayaks and canoes fall under this reg...)
If your vessel is under oars, then it should display lights for a sailboat (Figures 3 or 4), if practicle. As an option, your vessel may carry a flashlight or lighted lantern that can show a white light in sufficient time to prevent collision. (see Figure 7)"

(Fig 3 shows sailboat with Green/Red showing forward on the actual Bow and White showing back on the stern; Fig 4 shows same sailboat with green/red/white mounted on the top of mast.)

(Fig 7 shows a rowboat with a strong flashlight.)

I actually pride myself in knowing the regs, esp. working as a guide...

Working in NY Harbor, we stayed to the sides, were very alert, we know the water before we take out clients, and we err on the side of safty and had lights according to the regs.

Once again, the site address is:

http://www.uscgboating.org/safety/fed_reqs/equ_nav.htm

the pictures make things very clear.

Thanks for listening...

: About reading and complying with Rule 25 of the COLREGS?!!! I'm starting to
: believe that 99% of kayakers are just idiot mariners. Read the f-ing rules
: and obey them. It's that simple people. Turn off the computer and get a
: copy of the Rules, and obey them. Stay the heck out of traffic areas at
: night! Stay out of the shipping lanes at night or in fog. An all round
: white light is NOT ok when you are moving. It means you are at anchor.
: Drifting is moving! Sorry, but I get soo tired of ignorance, especially
: when the information is so readily available. Guides should know this
: stuff! I'm a kayaker BTW.., but for the most part wouldn't admit that
: among a group of sea folk.

Messages In This Thread

Optimum running lights sought
Dan -- Wednesday, 13 December 2000, at 10:08 p.m.

Meaning of *NM*
Nick Schade -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 9:55 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 12:32 p.m.

Re: Red Strobes
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 1:25 p.m.

Strobes are considered distress signals...
Jabberwocky -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 4:43 p.m.

2000 was a good year
shawn baker -- Tuesday, 16 November 2004, at 4:18 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
risto -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 1:31 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Capt. M. Hamilton -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 6:19 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Dan -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 7:56 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Lee -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 11:12 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 1:32 a.m.

Funny, I thought the exact same thing
Jerry -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 11:58 a.m.

Re: Funny, I thought the exact same thing
Will -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:11 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 12:34 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:11 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 1:37 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M. Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 4:00 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
MH again -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 4:06 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 1:03 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
MH -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 10:57 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Don Beale -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 2:22 p.m.

Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
mike allen ---> -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 7:52 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:04 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:31 p.m.

Red flasher only on rudolph
mike allen ---> -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 1:55 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
Earl Bailey -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 2:52 p.m.

Re: Red flasher not in rules = OK to use?
FBC -- Thursday, 21 December 2000, at 7:19 p.m.

lights used
tom -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 1:09 a.m.

Re: lights used
M.Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 11:41 a.m.

High Speed Drunks *Pic*
Robert Woodard -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 5:00 p.m.

Re: High Speed Drunks
Ian Johnston -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:48 p.m.

Re: Thanks for locating the photo *NM*
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 9:48 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Thursday, 14 December 2000, at 11:48 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
M.Hamilton -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 12:49 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Todd Bradshaw -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 2:09 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Terry -- Friday, 15 December 2000, at 7:25 p.m.

running lights thread
risto -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 8:22 a.m.

Re: running lights thread
M.Hamilton -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 12:28 p.m.

Re: running lights thread
risto -- Monday, 18 December 2000, at 3:28 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
David -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 9:06 a.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Will -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:01 p.m.

Thank you, all!
Les Groby -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 12:15 p.m.

hearing
tom -- Saturday, 16 December 2000, at 7:36 p.m.

Re: hearing
Don Beale -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 1:11 a.m.

Re: hearing
MH -- Sunday, 17 December 2000, at 11:00 p.m.

No Strobes; link to red-green bow lights *LINK*
Mark -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 9:41 a.m.

Re: No Strobes; link to red-green bow lights
Tim Mattson -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 1:46 p.m.

Re: All round white light
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 3:15 p.m.

What is so hard!!!
Capt. M. hamilton -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 8:09 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
LeeG -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 9:45 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 10:16 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
LeeG -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:15 p.m.

Different regs *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:47 p.m.

Re: What is so hard!!!
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:58 p.m.

Coastal vs. Inland
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:09 p.m.

Re: Coastal vs. Inland
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:28 p.m.

Re: I'll accept your apology later
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 29 July 2004, at 11:06 p.m.

What is so hard!--Look here...
Mark -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:17 a.m.

Ya'll still don't get it
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 1:34 p.m.

One problem
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:29 p.m.

Problem two
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 3:40 p.m.

Re: Problem two
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:11 p.m.

360 white means at anchor only? WRONG!!!
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:49 p.m.

Canada US differences too! Be careful with advice.
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 4:52 p.m.

Last word from me on this
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 6:03 p.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
Brian Nystrom -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 9:38 a.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
Robert Woodard -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 10:23 a.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
mark -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 12:40 p.m.

Re: Last word from me on this
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 2:05 p.m.

Re: My Last Word
Roy Morford -- Thursday, 5 August 2004, at 4:24 p.m.

information dissemination
Karl -- Friday, 6 August 2004, at 2:55 p.m.

Re: information dissemination
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 11 August 2004, at 6:37 p.m.

Re: information dissemination
Karl -- Thursday, 12 August 2004, at 12:07 a.m.

Re: 360 white means at anchor only? WRONG!!!
Karl -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:46 p.m.

Re: Display in time
Roy Morford -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 1:28 a.m.

Re: Display in time
LeeG -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 8:18 a.m.

Re: Display in time
Karl -- Saturday, 31 July 2004, at 12:19 p.m.

Right of way
Kris Buttermore -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 7:29 p.m.

Re: Right of way
Karl -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:13 p.m.

Re: Kayakers have right of way.....
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 7:19 p.m.

Re: Kayakers NEVER have right of way.....
Kris Buttermore -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:58 p.m.

Re: Kayakers NEVER have right of way.....
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 1:55 p.m.

RIGHT OF WAY can be given but not taken
Reg Lake -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 2:02 p.m.

Re: Optimum running lights sought
Robert Woodard -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:10 p.m.

I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Friday, 30 July 2004, at 9:42 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
haresfur -- Monday, 2 August 2004, at 11:32 p.m.

Re: I guess that would be a headlight!!! *NM*
Roy Morford -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 1:20 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 7:59 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
LeeG -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 8:37 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Ed Hopkins -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:31 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 12:49 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Ed Hopkins -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 5:46 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 11 August 2004, at 6:40 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
haresfur -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 12:18 a.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Karl -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 12:25 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 11:27 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 3 August 2004, at 11:31 p.m.

Re: I read the rules... and learned something *LINK*
Mike in Atlanta -- Wednesday, 4 August 2004, at 7:10 a.m.

Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 7:39 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
martin lister -- Sunday, 1 August 2004, at 10:36 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK* *Pic*
Mike Massey -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:05 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Tim Mattson -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:01 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests - Tim is right
Roy Morford -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 4:18 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests - Tim is right *LINK* *Pic*
Mike Massey -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 4:33 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests - novice question
Evan Shaw -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 8:47 a.m.

good question,,,consumer culture
LeeG -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:47 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kelly -- Tuesday, 9 November 2004, at 3:03 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests *LINK*
Kris Buttermore -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 10:03 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Mike Massey -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 4:15 p.m.

TekTite lights *LINK*
Will -- Thursday, 11 November 2004, at 1:33 a.m.

Re: TekTite lights - call them to order
Kris Buttermore -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 10:30 a.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Don Lucas -- Wednesday, 17 November 2004, at 12:13 p.m.

Re: Kayak lighting tests
Kris Buttermore -- Thursday, 18 November 2004, at 10:50 a.m.

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