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Re: Thank you! *Pic*

Posted By: Greg Stamer
Date: Monday, 2 June 2003, at 4:19 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Thank you! (Karl)

: Specific to the wing, when sculling with the blunt edge leading, it is super
: easy because it does create lift. Holy smokes, does it ever! Almost feels
: like a paddle float. So, with the blunt edge leading, go slow and long,
: ie, milk it. The return is what is interesting. Firm control of the the
: angle of attack (maybe that is why GP users think a GP is better, angle of
: attack is easier to control), and being quick to return, almost skipping
: the blade. It does work, it is harder, but with a little practice...

The GP has very little tendency to dive and thus the sculling motion is extremely easy to perform and yet it generates very good lift. Part of the appeal of the GP is that since the paddle is symmetrical you can scull in either a low brace or high brace, sweep forward or backward, without any surprises or change in technique.

I agree with you that body position is more important than the paddle motion or paddle choice. If you learn a balance position then you can float similar to a balance brace without *any* paddle movement. This requires that you rotate to get your back flat on the water (you may need to shift in the cockpit and sit somewhat on the side of the seat), and then arch your back or push with your legs to keep the kayak "pushed away" from you (the deck should be at about a 45 degree angle to the water). Keep your head immersed while looking straight upward. Once your torso enters the water your weight and pressure will shift to the lower leg. Most folks have the kayak deck at 90 degrees or greater to the surface which causes the kayak to push their torso under water and tends to cause a lot of frantic sculling.

A view of the Greenland side scull technique is shown below. In this example I am not even sculling, just sitting in a balanced position. This is where a buoyant paddle helps. Note that the upper hand acts only as a platform. All sculling motion is accomplished with the outboard hand. Threads on sculling are fairly common on the Greenland forum. One thread is at http://www.qajaqusa.org/cgi-bin/GreenlandTechniqueForum_config.pl/noframes/read/833.

Greg Stamer

Messages In This Thread

Incident Report
John Montgomery -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 8:07 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Brianne Corbett -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 9:42 p.m.
Fear vs Panic
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 10:10 a.m.
Re: Fear vs Panic
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:36 p.m.
Re: sculling
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:49 p.m.
Re: sculling
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:58 p.m.
Re: sculling
Bill Burton -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:32 p.m.
Re: sculling
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 7:24 p.m.
Re: sculling
Bob -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 7:59 a.m.
Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 10:27 a.m.
Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Bill Burton -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 11:26 a.m.
I have to agree with Shawn
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 12:38 p.m.
Re: I have to agree with Shawn
Karl H -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 2:23 p.m.
Re: flat vs. positive shaped paddles
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:40 p.m.
Additionally
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:58 p.m.
Greenland is AN answer but not the only answer . .
Jed -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 3:10 a.m.
Re: Greenland is AN answer but not the only answer
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 6:34 a.m.
Re: Additionally
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 4:21 p.m.
Re: Additionally
sing -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 5:16 p.m.
Thank you!
Karl -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 11:51 p.m.
Re: Thank you!
Tim Mattson -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 1:30 a.m.
Re: Thank you!
Karl -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 11:46 a.m.
Re: Thank you! *Pic*
Greg Stamer -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 4:19 p.m.
Re: Thank you!
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 5:49 p.m.
learning theory
Karl -- Tuesday, 3 June 2003, at 1:22 a.m.
Hmm...
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 June 2003, at 10:30 a.m.
Re: flat vs. positive shaped paddles
Mike and Rikki -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 2:46 p.m.
Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Bob -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 7:05 a.m.
Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Shawn Baker -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 12:24 p.m.
New Techiques
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 1:35 p.m.
Different backgrounds
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:57 p.m.
Combining WW and Ocean technique
Jed -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:54 p.m.
Why my roll failed
John Montgomery -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 1:44 a.m.
Re: Why my roll failed
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 10:29 a.m.
The knife
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 1:27 p.m.
Re: The knife
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 1:43 p.m.
Re: The knife *Pic*
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:28 p.m.
Re: The knife
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:39 p.m.
Re: The knife
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 12:16 p.m.
hook knife *Pic*
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:20 p.m.
Re: hook knife *Pic*
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:56 p.m.
where?
Randy Knauff -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 8:54 p.m.
Re: where? *Pic*
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 10:41 p.m.
The Knife: A bad idea
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:36 p.m.
The Knife:A bad idea
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:16 p.m.
Re: The knife
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 4:58 p.m.
Re: The knife
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:26 p.m.
Re: The knife
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 7:21 p.m.
Re: The knife
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 1:12 p.m.
side release
mike allen -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:29 p.m.
already covered before, above - NT
mike allen -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 4:56 p.m.
Other extreme
Bob Kelim -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 10:24 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
LeeG -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:06 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:49 a.m.
VERY Humbling
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:49 p.m.
Re: VERY Humbling
jardinette -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 7:51 p.m.
Re: VERY Humbling
Mike Savage -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 9:14 p.m.
Re: VERY Humbling
jardinette -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 11:24 p.m.
Re: VERY Humbling *LINK*
Glen Smith -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 11:52 p.m.
do you mean a ww yak?
mike allen -- Sunday, 16 July 2006, at 3:02 a.m.
rescue help
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:56 a.m.
Re: rescue help
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:19 p.m.
Terminology clarification
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:46 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:12 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:02 p.m.
flailing vs inert
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:35 p.m.
Good point
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 11:49 a.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:16 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:45 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:57 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 7:14 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Mike Hamilton -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 7:57 a.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 11:57 a.m.
Re: Helping Hand on conscious victim
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:47 p.m.
Helping Hand for Fat Boats *LINK*
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 12:56 p.m.
Spyder!!
M. Hamilton -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:16 p.m.
Re: Spyder!!
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:31 p.m.
Clarification on Spyder coaming
M. Hamilton -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:33 p.m.
Re: Clarification on Spyder coaming
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:49 p.m.
Shawn / John
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 May 2003, at 9:08 p.m.
Fact vs Fiction
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 8:29 a.m.
Re: Fact vs Fiction
M. Hamilton -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 1:47 p.m.
Re: Fact vs Fiction
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 4:15 p.m.
Re: Clarification on Spyder coaming
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:09 p.m.
Roll Dammit!
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 4:50 p.m.
Roll or Die!
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:46 p.m.
Re: Roll or Die!
Kenny Rolle -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 10:30 p.m.
Saved by my Right Knee
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 8:30 p.m.
Re: Saved by my Right Knee
Glen Smith -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 9:56 p.m.
Re: Saved by my Right Knee
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 10:15 p.m.
Re: Saved by my Right Knee
Glen Smith -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 11:17 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Mike and Rikki -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 2:56 p.m.
What band? What song? *NM*
Bob Kelim -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 3:52 p.m.
Re: What band? What song?
Mike and Rikki -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 4:28 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Bronson -- Sunday, 6 July 2008, at 4:00 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Bronson -- Sunday, 6 July 2008, at 4:01 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Reg Lake -- Sunday, 6 July 2008, at 12:51 p.m.

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