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Re: Fact vs Fiction

Posted By: John Montgomery
Date: Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 4:15 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Fact vs Fiction (M. Hamilton)

: just amazed that you had soo much trouble with your spray deck.

Me, too. That's why I would like to remeasure Andy's boat and, if he'd permit it, try sitting in his Spyder again (on land) and releasing my skirt. No doubt I got worked. No doubt I panicked, but only after I couldn't get the skirt to release. Was my failure to release the skirt due to sloppy technique? Too much force required for my strength? Or what combination of the two? I'm sure you understand why I'd like to know this for certain.

Glad you can repair the boat. Poor Andy! Good thing he's soo laid back.

: Sure are a lot of swimmers at those gatherings of ACA guys etc!!! :)

Yes, there were, including my survival swim, but I'm happy to see it because that's what it takes to truly develop (and maintain) a combat roll. No amount of flat water practice will do it. Never in a million years.

That's why I think rivers are such a great place to work on your combat roll. If you can learn to roll up when you're exhausted, flipped over with a half a breath, banged in the helmet by rocks, held under by strong eddies, knowing that you're just about to drop into a nasty hole or off a waterfall... then you can feel fairly confident in your ability to roll under pressure. And even then, you're not immune from an occasional swim. It WILL happen... given the right set of circumstances. (I even saw Alex swim once, but it was because he ran Englishmen River Falls with too much water. I've still got the pictures.)

Anyhow, that's what I love about this sport... it ain't easy. Cheers! John

Messages In This Thread

Incident Report
John Montgomery -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 8:07 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Brianne Corbett -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 9:42 p.m.
Fear vs Panic
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 10:10 a.m.
Re: Fear vs Panic
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:36 p.m.
Re: sculling
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:49 p.m.
Re: sculling
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:58 p.m.
Re: sculling
Bill Burton -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:32 p.m.
Re: sculling
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 7:24 p.m.
Re: sculling
Bob -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 7:59 a.m.
Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 10:27 a.m.
Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Bill Burton -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 11:26 a.m.
I have to agree with Shawn
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 12:38 p.m.
Re: I have to agree with Shawn
Karl H -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 2:23 p.m.
Re: flat vs. positive shaped paddles
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:40 p.m.
Additionally
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:58 p.m.
Greenland is AN answer but not the only answer . .
Jed -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 3:10 a.m.
Re: Greenland is AN answer but not the only answer
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 6:34 a.m.
Re: Additionally
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 4:21 p.m.
Re: Additionally
sing -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 5:16 p.m.
Thank you!
Karl -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 11:51 p.m.
Re: Thank you!
Tim Mattson -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 1:30 a.m.
Re: Thank you!
Karl -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 11:46 a.m.
Re: Thank you! *Pic*
Greg Stamer -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 4:19 p.m.
Re: Thank you!
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 5:49 p.m.
learning theory
Karl -- Tuesday, 3 June 2003, at 1:22 a.m.
Hmm...
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 June 2003, at 10:30 a.m.
Re: flat vs. positive shaped paddles
Mike and Rikki -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 2:46 p.m.
Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Bob -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 7:05 a.m.
Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Shawn Baker -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 12:24 p.m.
New Techiques
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 1:35 p.m.
Different backgrounds
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:57 p.m.
Combining WW and Ocean technique
Jed -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:54 p.m.
Why my roll failed
John Montgomery -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 1:44 a.m.
Re: Why my roll failed
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 10:29 a.m.
The knife
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 1:27 p.m.
Re: The knife
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 1:43 p.m.
Re: The knife *Pic*
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:28 p.m.
Re: The knife
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:39 p.m.
Re: The knife
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 12:16 p.m.
hook knife *Pic*
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:20 p.m.
Re: hook knife *Pic*
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:56 p.m.
where?
Randy Knauff -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 8:54 p.m.
Re: where? *Pic*
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 10:41 p.m.
The Knife: A bad idea
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:36 p.m.
The Knife:A bad idea
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:16 p.m.
Re: The knife
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 4:58 p.m.
Re: The knife
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:26 p.m.
Re: The knife
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 7:21 p.m.
Re: The knife
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 1:12 p.m.
side release
mike allen -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:29 p.m.
already covered before, above - NT
mike allen -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 4:56 p.m.
Other extreme
Bob Kelim -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 10:24 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
LeeG -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:06 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:49 a.m.
VERY Humbling
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:49 p.m.
Re: VERY Humbling
jardinette -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 7:51 p.m.
Re: VERY Humbling
Mike Savage -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 9:14 p.m.
Re: VERY Humbling
jardinette -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 11:24 p.m.
Re: VERY Humbling *LINK*
Glen Smith -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 11:52 p.m.
do you mean a ww yak?
mike allen -- Sunday, 16 July 2006, at 3:02 a.m.
rescue help
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:56 a.m.
Re: rescue help
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:19 p.m.
Terminology clarification
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:46 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:12 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:02 p.m.
flailing vs inert
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:35 p.m.
Good point
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 11:49 a.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:16 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:45 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:57 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 7:14 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Mike Hamilton -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 7:57 a.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 11:57 a.m.
Re: Helping Hand on conscious victim
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:47 p.m.
Helping Hand for Fat Boats *LINK*
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 12:56 p.m.
Spyder!!
M. Hamilton -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:16 p.m.
Re: Spyder!!
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:31 p.m.
Clarification on Spyder coaming
M. Hamilton -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:33 p.m.
Re: Clarification on Spyder coaming
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:49 p.m.
Shawn / John
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 May 2003, at 9:08 p.m.
Fact vs Fiction
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 8:29 a.m.
Re: Fact vs Fiction
M. Hamilton -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 1:47 p.m.
Re: Fact vs Fiction
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 4:15 p.m.
Re: Clarification on Spyder coaming
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:09 p.m.
Roll Dammit!
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 4:50 p.m.
Roll or Die!
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:46 p.m.
Re: Roll or Die!
Kenny Rolle -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 10:30 p.m.
Saved by my Right Knee
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 8:30 p.m.
Re: Saved by my Right Knee
Glen Smith -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 9:56 p.m.
Re: Saved by my Right Knee
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 10:15 p.m.
Re: Saved by my Right Knee
Glen Smith -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 11:17 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Mike and Rikki -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 2:56 p.m.
What band? What song? *NM*
Bob Kelim -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 3:52 p.m.
Re: What band? What song?
Mike and Rikki -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 4:28 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Bronson -- Sunday, 6 July 2008, at 4:00 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Bronson -- Sunday, 6 July 2008, at 4:01 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Reg Lake -- Sunday, 6 July 2008, at 12:51 p.m.

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