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Re: The knife

Posted By: Brianne Corbett
Date: Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:26 p.m.

In Response To: Re: The knife (Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks)

: Without reading Shawn's story about using a knife, the idea of pointing a
: knife down towards my stomach or legs while being tossed about in surf
: does not strike me as a good idea.

A blunt tipped double edged knife might reduce this risk and give you the cutting power needed.

: To get free you must either cut the
: rand, or the waist. I would consider using the knife up at the front of
: the cockpit, but since what really needs cutting is the rand and that is
: the thing you can't get free, I don't see that a knife would be much use
: for freeing the rand.

The knife might have allowed him to pry it up. He couldn't get his hand on it becuase it was too deep in. Fact is that he was having no success trying to use his hands alone. Ultimately he was lucky that he could use his legs. For many, that would not be an option.

Admittedly, the knife is a dangerous means to achieve the end... even a blunt tip. But with hope almost gone... as was the case here... I think it makes perfect sense. It is a last resort.

Quite frankly, I think he should have sculled up for air as soon as the roll failed or done a Petrussen Manouvre. But I wasn't there so I can't really know all the circumstances. What I do know is that I would have been prepared to use my knife at the stage where things weren't working and air was running out.

: Unless your knife is extremely sharp it is going to take significant effort
: to cut the neoprene around your waist and the force required is likely to
: make the blade end up someplace you would rather not have it. And there
: are a lot of vital organs right near where you need to cut. And if your
: knife is extremely sharp, well, those organs are still there.

No argument here. There is a lot of risk and the knife must be razor sharp for a reasonable chance of success... but I would rather risk it than just drown.

Safe Paddling!
Brianne

Messages In This Thread

Incident Report
John Montgomery -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 8:07 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Brianne Corbett -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 9:42 p.m.
Fear vs Panic
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 10:10 a.m.
Re: Fear vs Panic
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:36 p.m.
Re: sculling
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:49 p.m.
Re: sculling
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:58 p.m.
Re: sculling
Bill Burton -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:32 p.m.
Re: sculling
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 7:24 p.m.
Re: sculling
Bob -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 7:59 a.m.
Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 10:27 a.m.
Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Bill Burton -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 11:26 a.m.
I have to agree with Shawn
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 12:38 p.m.
Re: I have to agree with Shawn
Karl H -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 2:23 p.m.
Re: flat vs. positive shaped paddles
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:40 p.m.
Additionally
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:58 p.m.
Greenland is AN answer but not the only answer . .
Jed -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 3:10 a.m.
Re: Greenland is AN answer but not the only answer
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 6:34 a.m.
Re: Additionally
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 4:21 p.m.
Re: Additionally
sing -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 5:16 p.m.
Thank you!
Karl -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 11:51 p.m.
Re: Thank you!
Tim Mattson -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 1:30 a.m.
Re: Thank you!
Karl -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 11:46 a.m.
Re: Thank you! *Pic*
Greg Stamer -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 4:19 p.m.
Re: Thank you!
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 5:49 p.m.
learning theory
Karl -- Tuesday, 3 June 2003, at 1:22 a.m.
Hmm...
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 June 2003, at 10:30 a.m.
Re: flat vs. positive shaped paddles
Mike and Rikki -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 2:46 p.m.
Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Bob -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 7:05 a.m.
Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Shawn Baker -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 12:24 p.m.
New Techiques
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 1:35 p.m.
Different backgrounds
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:57 p.m.
Combining WW and Ocean technique
Jed -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:54 p.m.
Why my roll failed
John Montgomery -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 1:44 a.m.
Re: Why my roll failed
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 10:29 a.m.
The knife
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 1:27 p.m.
Re: The knife
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 1:43 p.m.
Re: The knife *Pic*
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:28 p.m.
Re: The knife
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:39 p.m.
Re: The knife
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 12:16 p.m.
hook knife *Pic*
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:20 p.m.
Re: hook knife *Pic*
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:56 p.m.
where?
Randy Knauff -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 8:54 p.m.
Re: where? *Pic*
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 10:41 p.m.
The Knife: A bad idea
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:36 p.m.
The Knife:A bad idea
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:16 p.m.
Re: The knife
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 4:58 p.m.
Re: The knife
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:26 p.m.
Re: The knife
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 7:21 p.m.
Re: The knife
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 1:12 p.m.
side release
mike allen -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:29 p.m.
already covered before, above - NT
mike allen -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 4:56 p.m.
Other extreme
Bob Kelim -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 10:24 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
LeeG -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:06 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:49 a.m.
VERY Humbling
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:49 p.m.
Re: VERY Humbling
jardinette -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 7:51 p.m.
Re: VERY Humbling
Mike Savage -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 9:14 p.m.
Re: VERY Humbling
jardinette -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 11:24 p.m.
Re: VERY Humbling *LINK*
Glen Smith -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 11:52 p.m.
do you mean a ww yak?
mike allen -- Sunday, 16 July 2006, at 3:02 a.m.
rescue help
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:56 a.m.
Re: rescue help
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:19 p.m.
Terminology clarification
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:46 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:12 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:02 p.m.
flailing vs inert
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:35 p.m.
Good point
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 11:49 a.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:16 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:45 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:57 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 7:14 p.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Mike Hamilton -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 7:57 a.m.
Re: Terminology clarification
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 11:57 a.m.
Re: Helping Hand on conscious victim
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:47 p.m.
Helping Hand for Fat Boats *LINK*
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 12:56 p.m.
Spyder!!
M. Hamilton -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:16 p.m.
Re: Spyder!!
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:31 p.m.
Clarification on Spyder coaming
M. Hamilton -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:33 p.m.
Re: Clarification on Spyder coaming
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:49 p.m.
Shawn / John
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 May 2003, at 9:08 p.m.
Fact vs Fiction
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 8:29 a.m.
Re: Fact vs Fiction
M. Hamilton -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 1:47 p.m.
Re: Fact vs Fiction
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 4:15 p.m.
Re: Clarification on Spyder coaming
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:09 p.m.
Roll Dammit!
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 4:50 p.m.
Roll or Die!
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:46 p.m.
Re: Roll or Die!
Kenny Rolle -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 10:30 p.m.
Saved by my Right Knee
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 8:30 p.m.
Re: Saved by my Right Knee
Glen Smith -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 9:56 p.m.
Re: Saved by my Right Knee
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 10:15 p.m.
Re: Saved by my Right Knee
Glen Smith -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 11:17 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Mike and Rikki -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 2:56 p.m.
What band? What song? *NM*
Bob Kelim -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 3:52 p.m.
Re: What band? What song?
Mike and Rikki -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 4:28 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Bronson -- Sunday, 6 July 2008, at 4:00 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Bronson -- Sunday, 6 July 2008, at 4:01 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Reg Lake -- Sunday, 6 July 2008, at 12:51 p.m.

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