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Re: Terminology clarification

Posted By: John Montgomery
Date: Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:12 p.m.

In Response To: Terminology clarification (Brian Nystrom)

: The technique for righting an upside down, unconcious victim is commonly
: called a "hand of God" rescue among other things.

: A "scoop" rescue is what one uses to get a injured or unconcious
: swimmer back into their boat. It consists of putting the boat on edge and
: partially flooding the cockpit, then guiding the victim's legs and body
: into the boat, and finally righting it and pumping it dry.

The scoop, as you describe it, matches my understanding exactly. I haven't heard the "hand of God" term for a while, but that sounds closer to what would have been needed to rescue me, floating upside down and unconcious.

Can the "hand of God" term be applied to rescuing a concious, but trapped paddler who doesn't know how or can't initiate a bow rescue? You grab them and pull them up using the same technique, but they're not inert (unconcious) or injured. I believe that's the definition I've heard in the past. I'm no instructor, however, so I defer to anyone who studies the finer points of rescue technique. Things get muddled in this brain, and not always from a lack of oxygen! John

Messages In This Thread

Incident Report
John Montgomery -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 8:07 p.m.

Re: Incident Report
Brianne Corbett -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 9:42 p.m.

Fear vs Panic
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 10:10 a.m.

Re: Fear vs Panic
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:36 p.m.

Re: sculling
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:49 p.m.

Re: sculling
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:58 p.m.

Re: sculling
Bill Burton -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:32 p.m.

Re: sculling
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 7:24 p.m.

Re: sculling
Bob -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 7:59 a.m.

Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 10:27 a.m.

Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Bill Burton -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 11:26 a.m.

I have to agree with Shawn
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 12:38 p.m.

Re: I have to agree with Shawn
Karl H -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 2:23 p.m.

Re: flat vs. positive shaped paddles
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:40 p.m.

Additionally
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:58 p.m.

Greenland is AN answer but not the only answer . .
Jed -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 3:10 a.m.

Re: Greenland is AN answer but not the only answer
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 6:34 a.m.

Re: Additionally
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 4:21 p.m.

Re: Additionally
sing -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 5:16 p.m.

Thank you!
Karl -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 11:51 p.m.

Re: Thank you!
Tim Mattson -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 1:30 a.m.

Re: Thank you!
Karl -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 11:46 a.m.

Re: Thank you! *Pic*
Greg Stamer -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 4:19 p.m.

Re: Thank you!
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 2 June 2003, at 5:49 p.m.

learning theory
Karl -- Tuesday, 3 June 2003, at 1:22 a.m.

Hmm...
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 3 June 2003, at 10:30 a.m.

Re: flat vs. positive shaped paddles
Mike and Rikki -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 2:46 p.m.

Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Bob -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 7:05 a.m.

Re: sculling with a Euro paddle
Shawn Baker -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 12:24 p.m.

New Techiques
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 1:35 p.m.

Different backgrounds
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:57 p.m.

Combining WW and Ocean technique
Jed -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:54 p.m.

Why my roll failed
John Montgomery -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 1:44 a.m.

Re: Why my roll failed
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 10:29 a.m.

The knife
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 1:27 p.m.

Re: The knife
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 1:43 p.m.

Re: The knife *Pic*
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:28 p.m.

Re: The knife
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:39 p.m.

Re: The knife
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 12:16 p.m.

hook knife *Pic*
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:20 p.m.

Re: hook knife *Pic*
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 3:56 p.m.

where?
Randy Knauff -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 8:54 p.m.

Re: where? *Pic*
Reg Lake -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 10:41 p.m.

The Knife: A bad idea
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:36 p.m.

The Knife:A bad idea
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:16 p.m.

Re: The knife
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 4:58 p.m.

Re: The knife
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:26 p.m.

Re: The knife
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 7:21 p.m.

Re: The knife
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 1:12 p.m.

side release
mike allen -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:29 p.m.

already covered before, above - NT
mike allen -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 4:56 p.m.

Other extreme
Bob Kelim -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 10:24 p.m.

Re: Incident Report
LeeG -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:06 a.m.

Re: Incident Report
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:49 a.m.

VERY Humbling
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:49 p.m.

Re: VERY Humbling
jardinette -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 7:51 p.m.

Re: VERY Humbling
Mike Savage -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 9:14 p.m.

Re: VERY Humbling
jardinette -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 11:24 p.m.

Re: VERY Humbling *LINK*
Glen Smith -- Saturday, 15 July 2006, at 11:52 p.m.

do you mean a ww yak?
mike allen -- Sunday, 16 July 2006, at 3:02 a.m.

rescue help
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:56 a.m.

Re: rescue help
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:19 p.m.

Terminology clarification
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:46 p.m.

Re: Terminology clarification
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 2:12 p.m.

Re: Terminology clarification
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:02 p.m.

flailing vs inert
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:35 p.m.

Good point
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 11:49 a.m.

Re: Terminology clarification
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:16 p.m.

Re: Terminology clarification
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:45 p.m.

Re: Terminology clarification
Randy Knauff -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:57 p.m.

Re: Terminology clarification
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 7:14 p.m.

Re: Terminology clarification
Mike Hamilton -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 7:57 a.m.

Re: Terminology clarification
Brian Nystrom -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 11:57 a.m.

Re: Helping Hand on conscious victim
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:47 p.m.

Helping Hand for Fat Boats *LINK*
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 12:56 p.m.

Spyder!!
M. Hamilton -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:16 p.m.

Re: Spyder!!
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:31 p.m.

Clarification on Spyder coaming
M. Hamilton -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:33 p.m.

Re: Clarification on Spyder coaming
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 3:49 p.m.

Shawn / John
M. Hamilton -- Friday, 30 May 2003, at 9:08 p.m.

Fact vs Fiction
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 8:29 a.m.

Re: Fact vs Fiction
M. Hamilton -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 1:47 p.m.

Re: Fact vs Fiction
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 4:15 p.m.

Re: Clarification on Spyder coaming
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:09 p.m.

Roll Dammit!
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 4:50 p.m.

Roll or Die!
John Montgomery -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 5:46 p.m.

Re: Roll or Die!
Kenny Rolle -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 10:30 p.m.

Saved by my Right Knee
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 8:30 p.m.

Re: Saved by my Right Knee
Glen Smith -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 9:56 p.m.

Re: Saved by my Right Knee
John Montgomery -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 10:15 p.m.

Re: Saved by my Right Knee
Glen Smith -- Saturday, 31 May 2003, at 11:17 p.m.

Re: Incident Report
Mike and Rikki -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 2:56 p.m.

What band? What song? *NM*
Bob Kelim -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 3:52 p.m.

Re: What band? What song?
Mike and Rikki -- Sunday, 1 June 2003, at 4:28 p.m.

Re: Incident Report
Bronson -- Sunday, 6 July 2008, at 4:00 a.m.

Re: Incident Report
Bronson -- Sunday, 6 July 2008, at 4:01 a.m.

Re: Incident Report
Reg Lake -- Sunday, 6 July 2008, at 12:51 p.m.

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