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Re: Class ratios

Posted By: Shawn Baker
Date: Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:57 p.m.

In Response To: Class ratios (Pamela)

That's a great insight, Pamela.

Having a student in class once, they learn a lot for their money, but they don't get it all committed to memory or instinct.

Taking the class again for fee, though, is costly, and the cost-benefit ratio is low.

Having them audit the class is a great idea. We can learn a lot ourselves by having to learn the skill well enough to share with another. They get the small bits they missed the first time, all the while helping the instructor.

If class fees were waived and even if they bought their own food, I could see it being an enticing offer for past students. We did this with our 3-hour rough water rescue class last year at R2K2. Past students got to come for free..they did some rescues they may not have been comfortable doing out by themselves, but didn't require much effort on the part of the leaders. They were an additional set of eyes and ears for the students. (As well as teabags!)

At the end of the class, I told the students to come back the next year for free.

But I don't teach to make a living, either. This part makes for a conundrum to some!

Shawn

: One thing that struck me about the riding program I taught was the
: staff/student ratio -- which was part of the discussion on David's
: incident. We had a senior instructor, an assistant instructor and two
: volunteers with horse experience in the ring at all times, for a class of
: six. The three beginners had a knowledgeable person walking or riding
: beside them all the time to teach basic skills when the senior instructor
: was working with the more advanced riders.

: Using volunteers gets around the problems of economics that come with any
: outdoor program. The facility recruits volunteers and gives them free
: lessons and meals for the weekend.

: Pamela

Messages In This Thread

Incident Report
David -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 10:48 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 12:06 p.m.
Insightful and a welcome comment as usual, thanx S *NM*
David -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 8:30 a.m.
Thanks for posting this
Brian Nystrom -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 12:20 p.m.
hope the weather is better next weekend
Frank Eberdt -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 12:42 p.m.
Re: hope the weather is better next weekend
David -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 8:10 a.m.
WB David!
Robert N Pruden -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 11:00 p.m.
Re: WB David!
Mike and Rikki -- Thursday, 22 May 2003, at 12:46 a.m.
I'm ready to go.
Robert N Pruden -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 6:01 p.m.
Re: I'm ready to go.
Mike and Rikki -- Saturday, 24 May 2003, at 1:20 a.m.
Re: I'm ready to go.
Robert N Pruden -- Saturday, 24 May 2003, at 8:33 a.m.
Re: I'm ready to go.
Mike and Rikki -- Saturday, 24 May 2003, at 6:25 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Ian Johnston -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 9:14 p.m.
Thanks for your comments
David -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 8:04 a.m.
Re: Thanks for your comments
LeeG -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 9:27 a.m.
Answers
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:19 a.m.
Re: Answers
LeeG -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 6:42 p.m.
Re: Thanks for your comments
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 12:31 p.m.
Re: towing practice
LeeG -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 4:21 p.m.
I will try it this weekend and let ya know, thx! *NM*
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:42 a.m.
Thank you Shawn, very helpful comments...
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:31 a.m.
Re: Thank you Shawn, very helpful comments...
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 11:17 a.m.
Re: Thank you Shawn, very helpful comments...
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 1:09 p.m.
Cheers, Very Insightful
David -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 7:13 a.m.
Re: Racer in the lead?
Val Wann -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 2:58 p.m.
Precisely
David -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 7:20 a.m.
Re: that's a great point
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 10:25 a.m.
Re: that's a great point
Pamela -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 8:05 p.m.
Re: that's a great point
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:48 a.m.
Class ratios
Pamela -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:20 p.m.
Re: Class ratios
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:57 p.m.
... but less $ for kayaks
haresfur -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 1:20 a.m.
More questions and observations.
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 12:34 p.m.
Some thoughts
Pamela -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 7:46 p.m.
Re: Some thoughts
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:40 a.m.
GLAD YOUR BACK
Mike and Rikki -- Thursday, 22 May 2003, at 12:38 a.m.
Cheers M8E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *NM*
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:41 a.m.
Re: Cheers M8E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert N Pruden -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 3:32 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Petewp -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 12:52 p.m.
And I too.......
David -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 7:15 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Petewp -- Saturday, 24 May 2003, at 3:17 p.m.
Exactly
David -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 7:19 a.m.
Whats really scarey to me...
Petewp -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 9:54 a.m.
Re: Whats really scarey to me...
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 10:39 a.m.
Re: Whats really scarey to me...
Petewp -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 3:19 p.m.
Re: Whats really scarey to me...
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 5:23 p.m.
Re: Exactly
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 9:31 p.m.
...and gills!!! *NM*
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 10:27 a.m.

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