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Re: Keyhole cockpit

Posted By: Mike and Rikki
Date: Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 2:57 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Keyhole cockpit (Andy)

Andy

Your views are most appreciated. I keep tossing about different ideas on spraydecks, trying different ones. The trouble is that I built every cockpit for the optimum for the person I gave them to, so it's been a hassle to find a skirt. I've been studying your references carefully and penciled out some ideas for a line of custon sprayskirts using a stretch neo. The implosion issue is always the issue in every case, particularly since we generally paddle in the ocean and it's rarely calm or flat. In fact, yesterday a bd and I were paddling a Seda Tango double offshore and the strangest swell came along; a big hole followed by a breaking crest. The wavelength was short enough that the nose was buried up to the deckbag and surf gave me a good soaking. The sprayskirt was holding gallons of water with the didg camera bobbing about the little lake.

: > The last part really grabbed my interest. Care to elaborate?

: >> I also happen to be a big fan of the versatile, now discontinued
: Wildwasser
: >> (Prijon) spraydeck - the "Solstice" (for reasons best left
: to
: >> another thread).

: Actually, I'm just assuming that the 'Solstice' is discontinued (it's no
: longer on their main website
: ("http://www.wildnet.com/inprog/decks.htm" - though still
: visible via the 'old' website link
: ("http://www.wildnet.com/decks.htm" and shows up on the
: 'Closeout Spraydecks' link
: "https://shop.wildnet.com/products.asp?pline=CLOSES").

: I'm guessing the reason they killed it is because it wore out rather quickly
: (I'm in the 4th year with one and it will probably be it's last - though
: it's interesting how, when it develops a hole or tear - that (unless
: manually helped), it doesn't tend to "spread").

: Now, the material. They use something they call "V-Tec" - it
: stretches and is waterproof. (I talked with a rep at the 'West Coast SK
: Symposium' (Port Townsend, WA) several years ago, he told me they got the
: material from - I think it was Northface, in any case, some outdoor gear
: company, that used it in their outdoor clothing line).

: The "Solstice" is "all" v-tec. The product they sell now
: with the v-tec ("Pocket-System-Neo") has a "deck" of
: neoprene and the waist & above is V-tec. (The deck area is the part of
: the "Solstice" that wore out 1st - I suppose because when on the
: kayak it was in a "stretched" position).

: They promoted it as being useful in all weather (warm or cold). Now, if I was
: to only use a spraydeck in cold weather (or surfplay) exclusively, I would
: use an all neoprene - all of the time. However, at the time I was
: preparing for an extended trip in a tropical environment (and also one
: with big waves). I did test it in the surf quite a bit and didn't have any
: implosion problems or excessive water intake (on a typical
: "break-out", assuming 2 or 3 crashing waves, very little would
: get in, maybe a cup full if a roll was required). (Note: it did implode on
: me once, while on the trip - in a bad place - I got "stuffed" by
: the pincer affect of the incoming swell and outgoing tide at a
: particularly tricky river bar - I would guess a typical neo deck would
: have imploded in this experience as well).

: Now, unless I'm practicing in surf, the Solstice is the only spraydeck I'll
: use (at least until I wear out the 2 extra ones I bought).
: It's very breathable. On a previous "tropical" trip, I used a
: neoprene spraydeck and was very uncomfortable (heat) on the inside and
: developed salt water rash where the "tube" of the spraydeck
: pressed against the skin. The "suspender" type of spraydeck
: allows more airflow (as well as other benefits - eg: in heavy weather some
: access to inside the cockpit without removing deck).

: Now, how about a thread on why 5-10 discontinued the (short version) of the
: Nemo (water shoe).

: Andy

Messages In This Thread

Prijon Barracuda?
risto -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 12:22 p.m.
Re: Prijon Barracuda?
Brianne Corbett -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 11:08 p.m.
Re: Prijon Barracuda?
Tim Mattson -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 2:34 a.m.
Keyhole cockpit
Andy -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 6:59 a.m.
Re: Keyhole cockpit
Mike and Rikki -- Monday, 26 May 2003, at 12:41 p.m.
Re: Keyhole cockpit
Andy -- Monday, 26 May 2003, at 3:35 p.m.
Interesting deck!
risto -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 1:43 p.m.
Re: Interesting deck!
Andy -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 8:07 a.m.
Re: Keyhole cockpit
Mike and Rikki -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 2:57 p.m.
Re: Prijon Barracuda?
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 1:26 p.m.
Re: Prijon Barracuda?
Brianne Corbett -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 9:26 p.m.
Re: Prijon Barracuda?
John Greenway -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 5:22 a.m.
Well, well, well....
risto -- Monday, 26 May 2003, at 12:24 p.m.
pps. too bad nobody's paddled the Barracuda! *NM*
risto -- Monday, 26 May 2003, at 12:37 p.m.
Re: pps. too bad nobody's paddled the Barracuda!
Magoo_ns -- Saturday, 4 December 2004, at 6:07 p.m.
Re: pps. too bad nobody's paddled the Barracuda!
Brent -- Wednesday, 12 October 2005, at 9:48 a.m.
Re: Prijon Barracuda?
Mike and Rikki -- Monday, 26 May 2003, at 12:49 p.m.
Re: Prijon Barracuda?
Jai -- Wednesday, 1 December 2004, at 11:01 p.m.
Re: Prijon Barracuda? *Pic*
Alfredo Bugayong -- Wednesday, 15 February 2006, at 9:25 p.m.
Prijon SPAM???
Robert N Pruden -- Wednesday, 22 February 2006, at 2:08 a.m.
Re: Prijon SPAM???
freddy -- Wednesday, 22 February 2006, at 7:49 a.m.
Humbled...almost
Robert N Pruden -- Thursday, 23 February 2006, at 3:08 a.m.
Re: Humbled...almost
Bert -- Thursday, 23 February 2006, at 4:42 p.m.
I'm serious
Robert N Pruden -- Friday, 24 February 2006, at 2:28 a.m.
Re: Prijon SPAM???
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Wednesday, 22 February 2006, at 10:02 a.m.
Re: Prijon SPAM???
Robert N Pruden -- Thursday, 23 February 2006, at 2:53 a.m.
Re: Prijon Barracuda
cooldoctor1 -- Saturday, 16 September 2006, at 10:39 p.m.
Re: Prijon Barracuda
simon -- Tuesday, 19 September 2006, at 1:44 a.m.

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