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Re: Thank you Shawn, very helpful comments...

Posted By: Shawn Baker
Date: Friday, 23 May 2003, at 11:17 a.m.

In Response To: Thank you Shawn, very helpful comments... (David)

:In this case, I was a little over impressed with the lead,

easy enough to do.

: he informed me he was an adventure racer and
: began the weekend by quizzing my about eco challenge gear. He paddled with
: confidence most of the weekend. It turned out in the end though, that he
: had never actually participated in an adventure race, but intended to
: shortly.

Not to totally discount racers, but they train and mentally plan for a completely different set of parameters than rough or open water paddlers do. Other than the Watertribe challenges, and offshore coastal races, most adventure races' paddling legs are mellow, from what I've seen. They're difficult due to distance, or perhaps darkness of night, but the bigger things adventure racers have to worry about are exhaustion, heatstroke, dehydration, and finding the take-out.

: I agree with Lee's comments about generalship also. I tend to be an
: egalitarian leader, preferring Lao Tse's leading by not leading...but in
: cases like this, I am extremely assertive. This is why were able to
: recover so quickly from what might have been worse.

Me too. (Well done)...without wanting to be a dictator, it's tough to practice generalship without either a)being in the "line of fire" to do so or b) pissing off your students on a nice sunny afternoon paddle! :)

:In high wind, with only rudimentary knowledge of
: bracing, stoppoing the kayak and holding position is not a viable option.

This is damn tough to teach in a classroom setting...even with 4:1 student:instructor ratios. It's almost easier for a neophyte to go out and paddle with 2-3 more experienced paddlers on some fun paddles. Rather than one looking out for the mass, the mass looks out for the less experienced individual. Sensing this, the individual can relax more and learn faster. It makes friends and paddling partners, but it doesn't put meals on an instructor's table!!

Shawn

Messages In This Thread

Incident Report
David -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 10:48 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 12:06 p.m.
Insightful and a welcome comment as usual, thanx S *NM*
David -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 8:30 a.m.
Thanks for posting this
Brian Nystrom -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 12:20 p.m.
hope the weather is better next weekend
Frank Eberdt -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 12:42 p.m.
Re: hope the weather is better next weekend
David -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 8:10 a.m.
WB David!
Robert N Pruden -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 11:00 p.m.
Re: WB David!
Mike and Rikki -- Thursday, 22 May 2003, at 12:46 a.m.
I'm ready to go.
Robert N Pruden -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 6:01 p.m.
Re: I'm ready to go.
Mike and Rikki -- Saturday, 24 May 2003, at 1:20 a.m.
Re: I'm ready to go.
Robert N Pruden -- Saturday, 24 May 2003, at 8:33 a.m.
Re: I'm ready to go.
Mike and Rikki -- Saturday, 24 May 2003, at 6:25 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Ian Johnston -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 9:14 p.m.
Thanks for your comments
David -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 8:04 a.m.
Re: Thanks for your comments
LeeG -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 9:27 a.m.
Answers
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:19 a.m.
Re: Answers
LeeG -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 6:42 p.m.
Re: Thanks for your comments
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 12:31 p.m.
Re: towing practice
LeeG -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 4:21 p.m.
I will try it this weekend and let ya know, thx! *NM*
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:42 a.m.
Thank you Shawn, very helpful comments...
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:31 a.m.
Re: Thank you Shawn, very helpful comments...
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 11:17 a.m.
Re: Thank you Shawn, very helpful comments...
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 1:09 p.m.
Cheers, Very Insightful
David -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 7:13 a.m.
Re: Racer in the lead?
Val Wann -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 2:58 p.m.
Precisely
David -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 7:20 a.m.
Re: that's a great point
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 10:25 a.m.
Re: that's a great point
Pamela -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 8:05 p.m.
Re: that's a great point
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:48 a.m.
Class ratios
Pamela -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:20 p.m.
Re: Class ratios
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:57 p.m.
... but less $ for kayaks
haresfur -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 1:20 a.m.
More questions and observations.
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 12:34 p.m.
Some thoughts
Pamela -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 7:46 p.m.
Re: Some thoughts
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:40 a.m.
GLAD YOUR BACK
Mike and Rikki -- Thursday, 22 May 2003, at 12:38 a.m.
Cheers M8E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *NM*
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:41 a.m.
Re: Cheers M8E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert N Pruden -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 3:32 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Petewp -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 12:52 p.m.
And I too.......
David -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 7:15 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Petewp -- Saturday, 24 May 2003, at 3:17 p.m.
Exactly
David -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 7:19 a.m.
Whats really scarey to me...
Petewp -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 9:54 a.m.
Re: Whats really scarey to me...
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 10:39 a.m.
Re: Whats really scarey to me...
Petewp -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 3:19 p.m.
Re: Whats really scarey to me...
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 5:23 p.m.
Re: Exactly
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 9:31 p.m.
...and gills!!! *NM*
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 10:27 a.m.

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