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Re: Some thoughts

Posted By: David
Date: Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:40 a.m.

In Response To: Some thoughts (Pamela)

Thanks Pam;

We stopped at what I call the "Banyon Tree", the last big willow on the south end of the channel at Muggs. We saw whitecaps, with a 1 foot swell. I reconned, about 50 yards out and it was not too bad. We went through a group decision making meeting at the Banyon Tree, in which every student was given the choice of taking the ferry or attempting the crossing. All students over a 5 minute discussion and rest/power bar stop, very much wanted to attempt it. I told the
students plan B was going back to the ferry.

You can't really prevent these things from happening. The only way to do it would be to cancel all paddling in winds above 5 knots. Its more in how we deal with it when it happens. Essentially, I over-rode the collective decision of hte group, to continue the advance, and instead, demanded we return. The act of turning against a strong funnelled wind of the airport lead to many of the difficulties. I always carefully weigh the risks incurred by having students attempt a 180 across wind, vs. the risk of continuing. Sometimes its the turn itself that leads to capsize, as students take whitecaps on the beam.

Water taxi in future, no doubt. But he was running around doing other things and I wanted the students back at the ranch pronto. Will give a him call next time though, it is alot faster!

: HI Dave,

: Seems like your paddling season got off to an 'interesting' start. I feel for
: you.

: David, when I first read your post, my immediate reaction was, "water
: taxi". Even though there's a cost attached, a water taxi gets you,
: the folks and the boats right back to the school without 2 hours of
: schlepping gear from the ferry terminal.

: I wasn't there, so I don't know whether your situation could have been
: stopped before it started. Is there a possibility that when you noticed
: that the wind had increased, you could have left the class in a sheltered
: position and paddled out to have a look-see? If you had seen whitecaps and
: big harbour chop, you would have had an opportunity to develop a plan B
: before your beginners got in over their head.

: I did that once with a novice paddler and winds that were suddenly 40 km/hr.
: He wasn't thrilled to be sent home on the ferry while I towed his boat
: home, but better a paddler with a bruised ego than hypothermia or a
: capsize in the ferry's path.

: Hope you have better conditions next time.

: Pamela

Messages In This Thread

Incident Report
David -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 10:48 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 12:06 p.m.
Insightful and a welcome comment as usual, thanx S *NM*
David -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 8:30 a.m.
Thanks for posting this
Brian Nystrom -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 12:20 p.m.
hope the weather is better next weekend
Frank Eberdt -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 12:42 p.m.
Re: hope the weather is better next weekend
David -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 8:10 a.m.
WB David!
Robert N Pruden -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 11:00 p.m.
Re: WB David!
Mike and Rikki -- Thursday, 22 May 2003, at 12:46 a.m.
I'm ready to go.
Robert N Pruden -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 6:01 p.m.
Re: I'm ready to go.
Mike and Rikki -- Saturday, 24 May 2003, at 1:20 a.m.
Re: I'm ready to go.
Robert N Pruden -- Saturday, 24 May 2003, at 8:33 a.m.
Re: I'm ready to go.
Mike and Rikki -- Saturday, 24 May 2003, at 6:25 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Ian Johnston -- Tuesday, 20 May 2003, at 9:14 p.m.
Thanks for your comments
David -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 8:04 a.m.
Re: Thanks for your comments
LeeG -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 9:27 a.m.
Answers
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:19 a.m.
Re: Answers
LeeG -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 6:42 p.m.
Re: Thanks for your comments
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 12:31 p.m.
Re: towing practice
LeeG -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 4:21 p.m.
I will try it this weekend and let ya know, thx! *NM*
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:42 a.m.
Thank you Shawn, very helpful comments...
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:31 a.m.
Re: Thank you Shawn, very helpful comments...
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 11:17 a.m.
Re: Thank you Shawn, very helpful comments...
Brian Nystrom -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 1:09 p.m.
Cheers, Very Insightful
David -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 7:13 a.m.
Re: Racer in the lead?
Val Wann -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 2:58 p.m.
Precisely
David -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 7:20 a.m.
Re: that's a great point
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 10:25 a.m.
Re: that's a great point
Pamela -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 8:05 p.m.
Re: that's a great point
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 11:48 a.m.
Class ratios
Pamela -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:20 p.m.
Re: Class ratios
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 28 May 2003, at 12:57 p.m.
... but less $ for kayaks
haresfur -- Thursday, 29 May 2003, at 1:20 a.m.
More questions and observations.
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 12:34 p.m.
Some thoughts
Pamela -- Wednesday, 21 May 2003, at 7:46 p.m.
Re: Some thoughts
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:40 a.m.
GLAD YOUR BACK
Mike and Rikki -- Thursday, 22 May 2003, at 12:38 a.m.
Cheers M8E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *NM*
David -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 10:41 a.m.
Re: Cheers M8E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert N Pruden -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 3:32 p.m.
Re: Incident Report
Petewp -- Friday, 23 May 2003, at 12:52 p.m.
And I too.......
David -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 7:15 a.m.
Re: Incident Report
Petewp -- Saturday, 24 May 2003, at 3:17 p.m.
Exactly
David -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 7:19 a.m.
Whats really scarey to me...
Petewp -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 9:54 a.m.
Re: Whats really scarey to me...
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 10:39 a.m.
Re: Whats really scarey to me...
Petewp -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 3:19 p.m.
Re: Whats really scarey to me...
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 5:23 p.m.
Re: Exactly
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 25 May 2003, at 9:31 p.m.
...and gills!!! *NM*
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 27 May 2003, at 10:27 a.m.

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