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Re: Facts, not hyperbole *Pic*

Posted By: Robert Woodard
Date: Sunday, 16 March 2003, at 9:54 p.m.

In Response To: Facts, not hyperbole (Diverlink)

: I don't post my e-mail address so as to protect from being harvested by
: spammers. Anyone who wants to contact me can go to my site and find
: contact information there.

I looked. It might have been overlooked in the new site design or I probably didn't look in the right place. I did find your name on the copyright page.

: My site has a reputation for excellence of information, is referred to by
: hyperbaric physicians and quoted by at least one government scientist, has
: a page distributed (with my permission) to physics educators in the UK for
: both excellence and as an example of a teaching tool, and two books, one
: on hyperbaric medicine, include excerpts from some pages on my site. The
: quality, thoroughness, and accuracy of the information are very important
: to me.

I don't dispute that you care an great deal about truth in advertising. But understand that there is no more credibility in saying "I talked to a guy from the coast guard who did some testing" than someone else saying that Malden Mills claims that it is the equivalent of 2.5mm neoprene. Neither supplies data for peer review and scrutiny.

: article and the opinions of a retailer. He also makes misleading remarks
: like "wet suit grade Polartec". There is no such thing!

I suspect he is referring to Polartec's "Aqua Shell" fabric. This is the fabric that the manufacture claims to be equivalent to 2.5 mm neoprene. I don't see any claims of neoprene equivalency for any other type of polartec.

: Let anyone claiming that Polartec is the equivalent of any thickness neoprene
: provide actual proof rather than marketing lies.

You and I are in agreement with this point.

: They can't of course,
: simply because you can't prove a lie. You can however, find proof of the
: truth if you ask the right organizations and care enough to do so, as I
: did. Writing an article is easy. Writing a truthful, helpful article takes
: work.

Again, I find neither your Diverlink article or Chuck's article bulletproof. Neither of you provide measured data to support the claim that each of you are correct (or that the other is incorrect).

I have to tell you, that in today's litigious society, that I find it difficult to fathom that Malden Mills would make such a claim without something that can legally stand up to some sort of scrutiny. In fact, they do post at least "some" data on their web site (see below), which currently is the only *measured* data set I have, coupled with my own personal observations in comparing my neo wet suit to my polartec, to determine on which end of the extremes the truth is grounded.

Having provided this data, feel free to punch holes in the Reeves Thermal Tester and clo values (of which I can assure you, I have no experience at all) :)

Woody

Messages In This Thread

Now, how about Polartec "tropical dive-suits"?
Alex M -- Sunday, 9 February 2003, at 3:42 p.m.
Re: Now, how about Polartec "tropical dive-suits"?
Robert Woodard -- Sunday, 9 February 2003, at 8:09 p.m.
Re: Polartec suits *LINK*
Brad Farr -- Monday, 10 February 2003, at 11:45 p.m.
Re: Polartec suits *LINK*
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 11 February 2003, at 1:19 a.m.
Correcting a common misconception
Brian Nystrom -- Tuesday, 11 February 2003, at 12:54 p.m.
Re: Correcting a common misconception
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 11 February 2003, at 2:56 p.m.
Polartec leakage
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 12 February 2003, at 12:07 p.m.
Re: Polartec leakage
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 12 February 2003, at 4:56 p.m.
Re: Polartec suits
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 11 February 2003, at 1:20 p.m.
Re: Polartec suits
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 11 February 2003, at 2:37 p.m.
Re: Welcome home Woody
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 11 February 2003, at 2:55 p.m.
Re: Welcome home Woody
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 11 February 2003, at 3:06 p.m.
Re: Welcome home Woody
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 11 February 2003, at 3:50 p.m.
Re: Welcome home Woody
Robert Woodard -- Tuesday, 11 February 2003, at 4:02 p.m.
Re: Polartec suits
Brian Nystrom -- Tuesday, 11 February 2003, at 1:13 p.m.
Polartec Shocker!
Brianne Corbett -- Tuesday, 11 February 2003, at 11:06 p.m.
*chuckle*. polartec union suits anybody?
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 12 February 2003, at 11:00 a.m.
see "I really had to pee . . ." below *NM*
Rob P -- Wednesday, 12 February 2003, at 1:50 p.m.
I'd better buy a lottery ticket!
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 12 February 2003, at 12:06 p.m.
Some better info about Neoprene/Polartec *LINK*
Brianne Corbett -- Tuesday, 11 February 2003, at 11:00 p.m.
Re: Some better info about Neoprene/Polartec
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 12 February 2003, at 11:01 a.m.
Re: Some better info about Neoprene/Polartec
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 12 February 2003, at 4:54 p.m.
Re: Some better info about Neoprene/Polartec
Alex M -- Saturday, 15 February 2003, at 3:26 p.m.
Re: Some better info about Neoprene/Polartec
Brianne Corbett -- Saturday, 15 February 2003, at 7:46 p.m.
Re: Risky business?
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 17 February 2003, at 11:17 a.m.
Managing the risk
Brianne Corbett -- Monday, 17 February 2003, at 6:58 p.m.
Re: Managing the risk
Brian Nystrom -- Tuesday, 18 February 2003, at 3:05 p.m.
Terrible Situation
Brianne Corbett -- Tuesday, 18 February 2003, at 7:33 p.m.
Re: Kokatat for women
Shawn Baker -- Tuesday, 18 February 2003, at 7:57 p.m.
Re: Kokatat for women
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 19 February 2003, at 6:55 p.m.
Re: Kokatat for women *LINK*
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 21 February 2003, at 11:41 a.m.
Re: Kokatat for women
Brianne Corbett -- Friday, 21 February 2003, at 3:28 p.m.
Re: Kokatat for women
Bill Price -- Friday, 21 February 2003, at 4:41 p.m.
Re: Kokatat for women
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 21 February 2003, at 4:50 p.m.
OT: Freezers
Bill Price -- Friday, 21 February 2003, at 5:16 p.m.
Re: OT: Freezers
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 21 February 2003, at 5:34 p.m.
Re: Kokatat for women
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 21 February 2003, at 4:50 p.m.
Re: Update - Kokatat for women
Shawn Baker -- Friday, 21 February 2003, at 5:37 p.m.
Yeah, compromising sucks.
Brian Nystrom -- Wednesday, 19 February 2003, at 12:15 p.m.
Re: Yeah, compromising sucks.
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 19 February 2003, at 6:57 p.m.
Re: Terrible Situation
bethp -- Wednesday, 19 February 2003, at 4:39 p.m.
Re: Shegear.com
Shawn Baker -- Wednesday, 19 February 2003, at 6:58 p.m.
Re: Terrible Situation
Brianne Corbett -- Wednesday, 19 February 2003, at 7:00 p.m.
Re: Some better info about Neoprene/Polartec
LeeG -- Monday, 3 March 2003, at 11:28 a.m.
Polartec "tropical dive-suits" are useless *LINK*
Diverlink -- Sunday, 2 March 2003, at 12:52 p.m.
Re: Polartec "tropical dive-suits" are useless
Chuck Sutherland -- Saturday, 8 March 2003, at 12:44 p.m.
More sloppy work from a hack writer
Diverlink -- Thursday, 13 March 2003, at 2:04 p.m.
Re: More baiting from an anonymous troll
Shawn Baker -- Thursday, 13 March 2003, at 7:04 p.m.
Re: More sloppy work from a hack writer *LINK*
Robert Woodard -- Friday, 14 March 2003, at 3:05 p.m.
Facts, not hyperbole
Diverlink -- Friday, 14 March 2003, at 4:23 p.m.
Re: I agree with you.
yakman -- Friday, 14 March 2003, at 8:08 p.m.
Re: Facts, not hyperbole *Pic*
Robert Woodard -- Sunday, 16 March 2003, at 9:54 p.m.
The table
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 12:59 p.m.
Re: The table
Robert Woodard -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 1:19 p.m.
It sounds bad
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 4:57 p.m.
Re: The table
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 5:54 p.m.
Another lie, or a lack of knowledge *LINK*
Diverlink -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 6:27 p.m.
Re: polartec and neoprene
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 8:21 p.m.
Re: The table
Kevin Street -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 2:16 p.m.
Good point!
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 5:00 p.m.
Re: The table
Robert Woodard -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 2:38 p.m.
Re: The table
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 5:05 p.m.
Re: The table
Robert Woodard -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 5:21 p.m.
From the Malden Mills web site.
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 5:37 p.m.
Re: From the Malden Mills web site.
Robert Woodard -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 5:41 p.m.
Re: Cheap Rashguards
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 6:00 p.m.
Looks like GR is back. *NM*
Shawn Baker -- Sunday, 16 March 2003, at 8:29 p.m.
Re: Google Diverlink and get the scoop *NM*
Ted Henry -- Sunday, 16 March 2003, at 10:02 p.m.
That says it all. Ignore Eddie Rhodes' posts
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 12:50 p.m.
Re: That says it all. Ignore Eddie Rhodes' posts
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 1:04 p.m.
Re: That says it all. Ignore Eddie Rhodes' posts
Robert Woodard -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 1:43 p.m.
Re: Nick's the admin...
Shawn Baker -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 5:50 p.m.
Assume nothing *LINK*
Diverlink -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 6:34 p.m.
No I think its Sponson timmy!!!! *NM*
Bert -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 8:54 a.m.
Re: Looks like GR is back.
Brian Nystrom -- Monday, 17 March 2003, at 1:00 p.m.

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