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Re: Facts, not hyperbole *Pic*
Posted By: Robert Woodard In Response To: Facts, not hyperbole (Diverlink)
Date: Sunday, 16 March 2003, at 9:54 p.m.
: I don't post my e-mail address so as to protect from being harvested by
: spammers. Anyone who wants to contact me can go to my site and find
: contact information there.I looked. It might have been overlooked in the new site design or I probably didn't look in the right place. I did find your name on the copyright page.
: My site has a reputation for excellence of information, is referred to by
: hyperbaric physicians and quoted by at least one government scientist, has
: a page distributed (with my permission) to physics educators in the UK for
: both excellence and as an example of a teaching tool, and two books, one
: on hyperbaric medicine, include excerpts from some pages on my site. The
: quality, thoroughness, and accuracy of the information are very important
: to me.I don't dispute that you care an great deal about truth in advertising. But understand that there is no more credibility in saying "I talked to a guy from the coast guard who did some testing" than someone else saying that Malden Mills claims that it is the equivalent of 2.5mm neoprene. Neither supplies data for peer review and scrutiny.
: article and the opinions of a retailer. He also makes misleading remarks
: like "wet suit grade Polartec". There is no such thing!I suspect he is referring to Polartec's "Aqua Shell" fabric. This is the fabric that the manufacture claims to be equivalent to 2.5 mm neoprene. I don't see any claims of neoprene equivalency for any other type of polartec.
: Let anyone claiming that Polartec is the equivalent of any thickness neoprene
: provide actual proof rather than marketing lies.You and I are in agreement with this point.
: They can't of course,
: simply because you can't prove a lie. You can however, find proof of the
: truth if you ask the right organizations and care enough to do so, as I
: did. Writing an article is easy. Writing a truthful, helpful article takes
: work.Again, I find neither your Diverlink article or Chuck's article bulletproof. Neither of you provide measured data to support the claim that each of you are correct (or that the other is incorrect).
I have to tell you, that in today's litigious society, that I find it difficult to fathom that Malden Mills would make such a claim without something that can legally stand up to some sort of scrutiny. In fact, they do post at least "some" data on their web site (see below), which currently is the only *measured* data set I have, coupled with my own personal observations in comparing my neo wet suit to my polartec, to determine on which end of the extremes the truth is grounded.
Having provided this data, feel free to punch holes in the Reeves Thermal Tester and clo values (of which I can assure you, I have no experience at all)
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Woody
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