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Good point, Nick...but let me rephrase...

One of my main conclusions has been that sponsons are most effective when NOT used for rescue as a first resort, I think this discussion has shown the weight of informed opinion still supports rolling and PF. My argument is that sponsons, when deployed prior to capsize, increase the width of the LOADED kayak. The combination of load ballast and this change in the primary stability is the real advantage. Seriously Nick, I used to paddle off of Jerico beach in Vancouver, that's where I kept me yak. There was one advanced paddler, only dude using a GP, called Jim, who used to go out every day, no matter what in his handmade boat. Now some days, I just didn't have the skills to put it together with breaking waves and opposing current; but with sponsons deployed I could just hold position with Jim and talk. So it effectively permitted me to function in an environment beyond my paddling experience. Now, given that one does find oneself beyond ability (and this could be fatigue, injury, getting a fever, or an unexpected turn of weather or miscalculation of channelling effects, tide races, or stupid decisions (we all make them, expeditions bring them out), the sponsons may provide a way to get to shore and to reduce the panic that such conditions can bring.

I suggest that sponsons are not a self rescue device of first resort, but along with paddle float, provide a reasonable back up system. I also think that they should not be used to enter conditions beyond paddling ability, but to increase the beam of the boat in such unexpected circumstances. Further, almost all of the work at the UBC research facility documented in Sea Kayaker showed that the only reliable predictors of stability were beam width and seat height. I know about secondary stability, but do not believe that this is sufficiently compromised by the addition of lateral flotation to warrant concern. I will field test them extensively in breaking surf conditions this summer and report back on my findings.

Over and out...

: Roll, Re-entry and roll, paddle float, sponsons...

: You can keep adding redundancy to as long a list as you want. You can reorder
: the list as your skills, desires or capabilities dictate. There will never
: be anything wrong with adding another level of protection. I am not
: convinced that sponsons are reasonable rescue technique or that they will
: provide any real protection to inexperienced paddlers when the shit hits
: the fan, but they are certainly a reasonable addition to the bag of
: tricks.

: It is unlikely anyone would regret having sponsons along on a trip. I guess
: the question is would they regret depending on them. I don't think their
: ability to protect lives up to Mr Ingram's promises. If this is the case
: inexperience users may put more confidence in them than they warrant. This
: may actually endanger the user more than if they had nothing at all. But
: if the user knows there limitations, they could serve as a useful tool.

Messages In This Thread

Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continues
Re: Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continue
Re: Seasonal ?
But isn't redundancy of rescue devices the issue?
Re: But isn't redundancy of rescue devices the iss
Good point, Nick...but let me rephrase...
I couldn't agree more... *NM*
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alternative sponson supplier
Check out the "Paddle Loom Float"...
Re: alternative sponson supplier
Yawn...
Sponsons not a hot item I can see...:)
Re: good golly
Agreed, but what about sponsons themselves.. *NM*
Re: a little one tracked are we? *NM*
Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
You heard a reason but you didn't listen.
I am listening, are you?
Being at the Center of a Black Hole
Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs. *NM*
Re: Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs.
Brianne, I didn't know you cared... *NM*
Re: Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs.
Setting the record straight
Good points, don't agree with all, but fair enough *NM*
you're right - - -
Thanks Dan, me too, are we cool now?
sure we're cool - - -
LOL *NM*
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
Comparing apples to oranges
Re: Salade de Fruits
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
My reasons for not using them . .
OT: rules for survival...
Clarification . .
"We are all between swims"
Re: My reasons for not using them . .
making sense of gear instead of skill - - -
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
more reasons for:
Funny thing...
Re: Funny thing...
Re: technique and knowledge vs. equipment
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
Re: fishing
Yoda speaks, he does
Re: hmgmgmg, confused he is
you're a perfect candidate for sponsons - - -
Re: Who should stay home?
Sponsons bring up some strong emotions... *NM*
Re: Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continue
Sure, but would you give Timmy any of YOUR money?
Re: No, but thats not the question.
Re: No, but thats not the question.
Re: No, but thats not the question.
when melted down - - -
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