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Re: Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continue

: From TIm's site;

: "Canoes and kayaks have by far the highest fatality rates per million
: hours of exposure (.42) as any other boat type. Most of these are due to
: drowning." US Coast Guard release # 071-01 (May 24, 2001).

Lets look a bit closer at those statistics. Using the analysis publised in the March/April 2001 issue of American Whitewater, we can get a more accurate picture of saftey.

Paddlesports in general have been averaging approximatly 140 deaths per year in North America. This includes canoe sports, sea kayaking, white water kayaking, rafting and any other paddled water craft. Over half of all deaths are in canoes. They are by far the most dangerous paddled water craft in large part because canoists are much more likly to forgo the PFD.

What about sea kayakers? Sea kayakers represent about 5% of the total death toll. That works out to around 8 to 12 per year throughout the mid 70's to late 90's. What's interesting is over that period of time, the number of sea kayakers has grown dramatically (around 50% between 1994 and 1999)! Its the fastest growing category of paddle sports, but in the face of all that growth, our death rate has held steady.

From this I conclude that we are doing a pretty good job with saftey. Sea kayakers are wearing PFD's at the highest levels in paddle sports. Over the last few years, the kayak fatalities that occured, only 20% of them were due to not wearing a PFD. This compares to 80% for canoes.

So I do not see a saftey crisis that demands new tools. Acording to the numbers, our death rate per participant has decreased by 50% over the last decade.

So how could Tim make the statement mentioned at the top of this message? He wanted to create a feeling of crisis to help sell his product. So he lumped sea kayaks, white water kayaks and canoes together. This grossly distorts any conclusions reached with regard to sea kayaks.

, Tim distorts the statistics to create a sense of crisis.

--Tim "the rolling, non-sponson guy"

P.S. What about sponsons? I roll. I use my paddle float for rentry roll should a roll fail. My exposure time is measured in seconds not minutes. Sponson's take too long to deploy.

But rather than argue, lets have a saftey clinic and see how the different techniques stack up against each other. Have an experienced sponson user and a paddle-float user capsize and see how is back in the boats the soonest. We can do this in rough water to make it more interesting. I propsed this to Tim during the hight of the sponson silliness, but he refused. I wonder what he was afraid of?

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Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continues
Re: Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continue
Re: Seasonal ?
But isn't redundancy of rescue devices the issue?
Re: But isn't redundancy of rescue devices the iss
Good point, Nick...but let me rephrase...
I couldn't agree more... *NM*
interesting info???
alternative sponson supplier
Check out the "Paddle Loom Float"...
Re: alternative sponson supplier
Yawn...
Sponsons not a hot item I can see...:)
Re: good golly
Agreed, but what about sponsons themselves.. *NM*
Re: a little one tracked are we? *NM*
Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
You heard a reason but you didn't listen.
I am listening, are you?
Being at the Center of a Black Hole
Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs. *NM*
Re: Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs.
Brianne, I didn't know you cared... *NM*
Re: Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs.
Setting the record straight
Good points, don't agree with all, but fair enough *NM*
you're right - - -
Thanks Dan, me too, are we cool now?
sure we're cool - - -
LOL *NM*
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
Comparing apples to oranges
Re: Salade de Fruits
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
My reasons for not using them . .
OT: rules for survival...
Clarification . .
"We are all between swims"
Re: My reasons for not using them . .
making sense of gear instead of skill - - -
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
more reasons for:
Funny thing...
Re: Funny thing...
Re: technique and knowledge vs. equipment
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
Re: fishing
Yoda speaks, he does
Re: hmgmgmg, confused he is
you're a perfect candidate for sponsons - - -
Re: Who should stay home?
Sponsons bring up some strong emotions... *NM*
Re: Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continue
Sure, but would you give Timmy any of YOUR money?
Re: No, but thats not the question.
Re: No, but thats not the question.
Re: No, but thats not the question.
when melted down - - -
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