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I am listening, are you?

I listened, but his reasons aren't very compelling and neither are yours. I have used them for years, they deploy in about a minute, 2 at tops. Ever try the paddle float in wind opposing current? Please do so at your earliest conveniance, you will see what I mean. And Dan going on about how the T rescue is just fine for a loaded kayak, BS!! What planet has he been doing his rescues on? Or Dan, are you one of those strong guys who can hoist a 250 lb boat, filled with water onto his cockpit coaming with nary a wince? Yeah, tell me about it. Dan, I pull off over 30 T's a summer and read all the incident reports, for an unloaded yak they are great, but loaded....you obviously haven't tried it so I won't bother trying to explain it.

And the argument about stability is just that, an argument, an exercise in theory. I have deployed and used them in 2 meter swells and had no problems. And the paddlefloat is a worthless outrigger, all you need to do is move a little too much to the other side and whoosh, you are swimming. Gusts of wind have no effect on deployed sponsons, they will not make the boat blow away, as you suggest. And this long winded discussion of stability, totally incorrect. The addition of water in the craft, functioning as ballast, stabilizes the craft with the sponsons.

And you want stats from me, but offer none of your own to counter. I don't think you've even used them, if you had, you wouldnt' post this kind of rhetoric. I think you, Brian and Dan should join the "bah, humbug, the old ways are the only ways" club. Why can't you admit that the paddlefloat MIGHT be an outdated solution and that Tim MIGHT be right?

As usual, it starts as a discussion, gets personal and goes to hell in a handbasket. But that's the risk of introducing controversial topics; but I had expected a little more discussion and less controversy. But then the word sponsons has a way of getting everyone antsy. But Dan, personal attacks on my abilities as an instructor and kayaker don't really serve any purpose, is there just a small chance we could learn from each other? I call this kind of discussion talking through, rather than talking to each other.

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Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continues
Re: Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continue
Re: Seasonal ?
But isn't redundancy of rescue devices the issue?
Re: But isn't redundancy of rescue devices the iss
Good point, Nick...but let me rephrase...
I couldn't agree more... *NM*
interesting info???
alternative sponson supplier
Check out the "Paddle Loom Float"...
Re: alternative sponson supplier
Yawn...
Sponsons not a hot item I can see...:)
Re: good golly
Agreed, but what about sponsons themselves.. *NM*
Re: a little one tracked are we? *NM*
Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
You heard a reason but you didn't listen.
I am listening, are you?
Being at the Center of a Black Hole
Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs. *NM*
Re: Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs.
Brianne, I didn't know you cared... *NM*
Re: Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs.
Setting the record straight
Good points, don't agree with all, but fair enough *NM*
you're right - - -
Thanks Dan, me too, are we cool now?
sure we're cool - - -
LOL *NM*
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
Comparing apples to oranges
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Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
My reasons for not using them . .
OT: rules for survival...
Clarification . .
"We are all between swims"
Re: My reasons for not using them . .
making sense of gear instead of skill - - -
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
more reasons for:
Funny thing...
Re: Funny thing...
Re: technique and knowledge vs. equipment
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
Re: fishing
Yoda speaks, he does
Re: hmgmgmg, confused he is
you're a perfect candidate for sponsons - - -
Re: Who should stay home?
Sponsons bring up some strong emotions... *NM*
Re: Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continue
Sure, but would you give Timmy any of YOUR money?
Re: No, but thats not the question.
Re: No, but thats not the question.
Re: No, but thats not the question.
when melted down - - -
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