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Re: Who should stay home?

I dutifully ( and joyfully) practice rolls, bracing, re-entry and rolls, and paddlefloat re-entries, but feel it is arrogant to believe they will always work when I am tired, physically strained, nervous, and in bad sea conditions in a remote place on the ocean. I believe it is arrogant to think conditions are always predictable. I also feel an assisted rescue in really bad conditions with fully loaded kayaks is a dangerous thing. So I carry the backups which, based on Deep Trouble type accounts, and experience, might make the difference. I have a sea anchor to keep the bow pointed into the waves. I have sponsons to gain extra stability while self-rescuing, and I also have the Back-Up rescue device, which is as sure a way of getting upright at least once that there is.
No matter how much "I LEARN TO PADDLE MY KAYAK", or how carefully I practice good seamanship, I will always carry these things on my long trips. You can mock me for carrying these things if you want to. But even though I don't have the guaranteed paddling skills and weather omniscience of some, I like my chances when I don't stay home.
Robert

: ---> this is absolutely false . if you cannot perform a paddlefloat rescue
: in the conditions that require it, YOUR problem is that you simply don't
: know how to do a paddlefloat reentry --- and YOU haven't practiced it in
: the conditions in which it might be necessary. it's also obvious that you
: have not a clue about how to run a T-rescue properly. don't blame broken
: paddle shafts or ripped spray skirts on the appropriate rescue .. rather
: it's your lack of skill which is at fault.

: you also said: "And I don't think that many people practice rolling in a
: loaded, expedition ready boat; with the same panic that a sudden squall or
: gale force wind can produce".

: ---> and whose fault is that? YOURS again. if you cannot roll in
: "real world conditions", then you've got two choices: (1) go out
: and practice rolling in conditions or (2) don't go out in conditions which
: are more than your skill level should allow. incidentally, rolling in a
: loaded boat is considered by many to actually be easier than an empty
: boat.

: you said: "So most real world rolling experience is lacking and the
: paddle float is unreliable in all but the most practised hands. So what
: you have to pre-rig them, it only takes a couple of hours and you leave it
: there permanently. You pre-rig the rental fleet the same way. What's the
: big deal, are we really in a hurry?"

: ---> i'd suggest again that the answer is not to load up your boat with
: flotation but rather, to avoid paddling in conditions in which you have no
: skill. that's even simpler than rigging your boat for sponsons. wind too
: strong for your skill level? don't paddle in it. waves too high for your
: skill level? don't paddle in them. current too strong for you? don't
: paddle in it. getting caught in conditions which are more than your skill
: level is 99% YOUR FAULT. listen to the weather radio. know the prevailing
: conditions for the area you intend to paddle in. learn about currents and
: tides. understand how wind, tide and current impact the area you are
: paddling in. and most of all, LEARN TO PADDLE YOUR KAYAK. if that's too
: much for you, stay home.

: finally you said: "paddling without sponsons in anything but basic
: flatwater protected conditions, is unadvised."

: ---> sorry, but this is the stupidest reactionary statement i've ever
: read. you are the perfect candidate for sponsons. i'd not be surprised to
: find you used them in the bathtub .. do you know how many people drown in
: their own bathtub? sheeesh, you had better take up a new sport. boating of
: any sort is obviously not for you. try something in the livingroom ...
: it's safer for you there.

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Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continues
Re: Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continue
Re: Seasonal ?
But isn't redundancy of rescue devices the issue?
Re: But isn't redundancy of rescue devices the iss
Good point, Nick...but let me rephrase...
I couldn't agree more... *NM*
interesting info???
alternative sponson supplier
Check out the "Paddle Loom Float"...
Re: alternative sponson supplier
Yawn...
Sponsons not a hot item I can see...:)
Re: good golly
Agreed, but what about sponsons themselves.. *NM*
Re: a little one tracked are we? *NM*
Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
You heard a reason but you didn't listen.
I am listening, are you?
Being at the Center of a Black Hole
Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs. *NM*
Re: Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs.
Brianne, I didn't know you cared... *NM*
Re: Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs.
Setting the record straight
Good points, don't agree with all, but fair enough *NM*
you're right - - -
Thanks Dan, me too, are we cool now?
sure we're cool - - -
LOL *NM*
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
Comparing apples to oranges
Re: Salade de Fruits
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
My reasons for not using them . .
OT: rules for survival...
Clarification . .
"We are all between swims"
Re: My reasons for not using them . .
making sense of gear instead of skill - - -
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
more reasons for:
Funny thing...
Re: Funny thing...
Re: technique and knowledge vs. equipment
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
Re: fishing
Yoda speaks, he does
Re: hmgmgmg, confused he is
you're a perfect candidate for sponsons - - -
Re: Who should stay home?
Sponsons bring up some strong emotions... *NM*
Re: Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continue
Sure, but would you give Timmy any of YOUR money?
Re: No, but thats not the question.
Re: No, but thats not the question.
Re: No, but thats not the question.
when melted down - - -
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