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Re: My reasons for not using them . .

Not suggesting everyone needs em' Jed, just that they make alot of sense and I think some people around here are resistant to a new idea, plain and simple, alongside Tim's abrasive manner. I just can't see going on a major trip without em' and wonder why they have been so poorly adopted by paddlers. I agree, good weather is best, but I have hit squalls in the Johnston straight with a clean VHF broadcast, so our calculations of risk are only so effective. But then again, I am talking kayaking travel, rather than day paddles or protected Island hopping.
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BTW: look forward to your visit here this summer; looking forward to some good old rock and roll....

: David,

: If they work for you, great. But please don't assume that everyone *needs*
: sponsons. I don't reject them, I just don't need them. Just like I don't
: need flippers or a breathing tube or a scuba tank. Sure these things might
: be useful someday but I do not paddle in the kind of conditions where I
: would need these things. I have never tried many of these things. I'm too
: busy working on my skills to waste my time looking for an equipment option
: to replace skills and good judgment. As I rock climber, we never ever used
: our equipment to rappel if we could avoid it. Not that we did not trust
: our equipment but why take the chance? For me it's the same with equipment
: based safety solutions. Why would I ever want to gamble *my* life on a
: piece of equipment?

: Craig wrote: I think this is the key issue. Some paddlers have no use for yet
: another specialized piece of equipment that has a limited application. For
: me and the folks I paddle with sponsons would only be useful for
: stabilizing an injured paddler. But we already have several ways to handle
: this scenario, why would I waste my time with sponsons? We don't even use
: our paddle floats anymore, in part because these equipment dependent
: solutions will fail if the equipment fails. I would much rather trust my
: survival to my skills and judgment than to any piece of equipment.

: Your point that people that get in over the heads might be better off if they
: have sponsons available to save them is well taken. But I would ask
: wouldn't we be better off to teach these ill-prepared people about the
: potential dangers and hazards and how to avoid them. No piece of equipment
: will make someone safe if they have weak skills and weak judgment. Those
: paddlers that have strong skills and strong judgment just don't need the
: extra equipment. Since the earliest days of my paddling the focus was on
: training and safety. My exposure to safety training preceded my paddling
: skills. I knew more about rescues than my strokes. So the majority of
: equipment based safety solutions has little value to me.

: Jed's simple rules for survival: Don't paddle if you would not swim in the
: same conditions.
: Don't paddle if you cannot self-rescue in the same conditions.

: Once these criteria are met the value of sponsons is sharply reduced.

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Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continues
Re: Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continue
Re: Seasonal ?
But isn't redundancy of rescue devices the issue?
Re: But isn't redundancy of rescue devices the iss
Good point, Nick...but let me rephrase...
I couldn't agree more... *NM*
interesting info???
alternative sponson supplier
Check out the "Paddle Loom Float"...
Re: alternative sponson supplier
Yawn...
Sponsons not a hot item I can see...:)
Re: good golly
Agreed, but what about sponsons themselves.. *NM*
Re: a little one tracked are we? *NM*
Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
You heard a reason but you didn't listen.
I am listening, are you?
Being at the Center of a Black Hole
Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs. *NM*
Re: Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs.
Brianne, I didn't know you cared... *NM*
Re: Never seen someone do a PF rescue in 20 secs.
Setting the record straight
Good points, don't agree with all, but fair enough *NM*
you're right - - -
Thanks Dan, me too, are we cool now?
sure we're cool - - -
LOL *NM*
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
Comparing apples to oranges
Re: Salade de Fruits
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
Re: Haven't heard one good reason not to yet...
My reasons for not using them . .
OT: rules for survival...
Clarification . .
"We are all between swims"
Re: My reasons for not using them . .
making sense of gear instead of skill - - -
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
more reasons for:
Funny thing...
Re: Funny thing...
Re: technique and knowledge vs. equipment
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
Re: Good reasons not to, but some good reasons to.
Re: fishing
Yoda speaks, he does
Re: hmgmgmg, confused he is
you're a perfect candidate for sponsons - - -
Re: Who should stay home?
Sponsons bring up some strong emotions... *NM*
Re: Georgian Bay Kayaks - The Sponson War Continue
Sure, but would you give Timmy any of YOUR money?
Re: No, but thats not the question.
Re: No, but thats not the question.
Re: No, but thats not the question.
when melted down - - -
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