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Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......

Posted By: Greg Stamer
Date: Monday, 7 February 2000, at 11:37 a.m.

In Response To: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN...... (PeteWP)

> To all who responded on the bifurcated bow "thingamajig", my
> opinion hasnt changed. In a nutshell, you cant credit these people with
> performance designs resulting in the mid to lower single digits of
> percentag improvements. Sorry thats strictly the domain of modern
> technology - that includes the use of an accurate stopwatch to say the
> least. Anything above that, say like 10% and up...ok...maybe... less than
> that and your just embracing romantic old world mysticism and the good
> fortune of serendipity.

> C-c-c-c-c-c-can we end it h-h-h-h-here?

I was talking with Ken Fink recently and we were discussing wing paddles. In his opinion racers started switching to this design in large numbers only after paddlers whom they had routinely beaten for years changed to a "wing" and were now kicking their "gluteus maximus".

Why would it be any different for the Aleuts? In Greenland a man was judged primarily according to his hunting and kayaking ability and I imagine that the Aleuts had similar customs. As other posters have noted, the Aleuts often travelled extremely long distances.

Over many miles against a field of paddlers of known ability, even small design improvements are quite noticable. Modern technology and a stopwatch are not required to see that a paddler in a new kayak, who normally struggles to stay abreast of you is now 200 yards ahead of you over 20 miles. After this happens more than once, you will probably consider the same design changes for your next kayak.

Greg Stamer

Messages In This Thread

Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Pete W P -- Sunday, 23 January 2000, at 10:14 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Greg Stamer -- Tuesday, 25 January 2000, at 10:44 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Petewp -- Wednesday, 26 January 2000, at 11:21 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
petewp -- Wednesday, 26 January 2000, at 11:25 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Bram -- Wednesday, 26 January 2000, at 11:37 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Will Brockman -- Thursday, 27 January 2000, at 6:07 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Mike Hanks -- Wednesday, 26 January 2000, at 9:38 a.m.
Re: concave bows
lee -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 8:45 a.m.
Re: concave bows
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 12:28 p.m.
Re: concave bows
Mike Hanks -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 1:32 p.m.
Re: Lee's laundry
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 2:24 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Ian Johnston -- Thursday, 27 January 2000, at 1:39 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
dave hagen -- Sunday, 30 January 2000, at 12:50 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Peter WP -- Sunday, 30 January 2000, at 11:13 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 30 January 2000, at 4:02 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Pete WP -- Monday, 31 January 2000, at 6:08 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Ian Johnston -- Monday, 31 January 2000, at 9:41 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Mike Hanks -- Saturday, 5 February 2000, at 10:55 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Don Lueder -- Friday, 4 February 2000, at 4:19 p.m.
GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
PeteWP -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 9:42 a.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
The Big Legume -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 11:06 a.m.
Re: {:o)
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 12:10 p.m.
Re: Keep discussing
Mike Hanks -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 1:49 p.m.
Re: Keep discussing
Pete W P -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 5:25 p.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
Tom Kurth -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 8:28 p.m.
James Burke wouldn't end it
lee -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 11:00 p.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
Greg Stamer -- Monday, 7 February 2000, at 11:37 a.m.
I accept...
PeteWP -- Monday, 7 February 2000, at 6:12 p.m.
Re: Amazing
Mike Hanks -- Monday, 7 February 2000, at 6:31 p.m.
Re: Amazing
Pete W P -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 5:12 p.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
David -- Sunday, 13 February 2000, at 7:03 p.m.
Yes, GGGGRR.....
David Dick -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 7:28 a.m.
Re: Yes, GGGGRR.....
Ian Johnston -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 9:41 p.m.
OK, but...
David Dick -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 11:47 p.m.
Re: OK, but...
Ian Johnston -- Tuesday, 15 February 2000, at 4:03 a.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
Pete W P -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 5:19 p.m.
Re: It's Official...
Ian Johnston -- Tuesday, 15 February 2000, at 4:11 a.m.
Re: It's Official...
PeteWP -- Tuesday, 15 February 2000, at 8:47 a.m.
Re: Resistance is Futile! (no text)
Mike Hanks -- Tuesday, 15 February 2000, at 11:08 a.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
David -- Thursday, 17 February 2000, at 9:51 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Paul Lund -- Wednesday, 9 February 2000, at 8:44 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Pete W P -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 5:22 p.m.

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