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Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff

Posted By: Ian Johnston
Date: Monday, 31 January 2000, at 9:41 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff (Pete WP)

Hi Pete,

I think that you are not giving these early people enough credit! If you take a intellegent outdoors type person today and plunk them down in the environment that many of these people endured and even gave them modern equipment, most would not survive. These people were extremely ingenious and intellegent. To say that they had no way of measuring the improved performance of a new design is like saying there is no sense in my trying different designs when I decide to buy a new kayak because I don't have a way to measure them!

I test drive many cars before a buy one! I try on different types of shoes before I buy them! I have no way to measure these??

What we see is the last design innovation. We don't see the progression of the design. To say that these people just stuck something on the front of their boat isn't giving them credit for their innovation. The fact that many of the boats that survived have this type of bow is an indication that these people knew exactly what the benefits were!

True science doesn't care where an idea comes from!! Einstein was a telegraph operator when he came up with the theory of relativity! Science has a way to test any idea and that is through observation, so it doesn't need to check credentials. If a scientist argues a point on the credentials of its originator then he doesn't know his stuff. I think you will find today that these arguments are in fun and usually have money riding on them!

Arguments start when money (or its equivalent) is involved. Science is concerned with truth. Each new discovery brings science closer to the truth of things so even disproving an idea is a benefit.

Science is a process, anyone who follows the process is a scientist. If the original builders followed a process of observation and testing then they are as much scientists as any engineer, physicist, biologist, etc. with a degree is today.

Don't get me started on religion now!!!! {:o)

I love a good rant!

Ian

Messages In This Thread

Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Pete W P -- Sunday, 23 January 2000, at 10:14 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Greg Stamer -- Tuesday, 25 January 2000, at 10:44 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Petewp -- Wednesday, 26 January 2000, at 11:21 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
petewp -- Wednesday, 26 January 2000, at 11:25 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Bram -- Wednesday, 26 January 2000, at 11:37 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Will Brockman -- Thursday, 27 January 2000, at 6:07 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Mike Hanks -- Wednesday, 26 January 2000, at 9:38 a.m.
Re: concave bows
lee -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 8:45 a.m.
Re: concave bows
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 12:28 p.m.
Re: concave bows
Mike Hanks -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 1:32 p.m.
Re: Lee's laundry
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 2:24 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Ian Johnston -- Thursday, 27 January 2000, at 1:39 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
dave hagen -- Sunday, 30 January 2000, at 12:50 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Peter WP -- Sunday, 30 January 2000, at 11:13 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 30 January 2000, at 4:02 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Pete WP -- Monday, 31 January 2000, at 6:08 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Ian Johnston -- Monday, 31 January 2000, at 9:41 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Mike Hanks -- Saturday, 5 February 2000, at 10:55 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Don Lueder -- Friday, 4 February 2000, at 4:19 p.m.
GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
PeteWP -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 9:42 a.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
The Big Legume -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 11:06 a.m.
Re: {:o)
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 12:10 p.m.
Re: Keep discussing
Mike Hanks -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 1:49 p.m.
Re: Keep discussing
Pete W P -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 5:25 p.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
Tom Kurth -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 8:28 p.m.
James Burke wouldn't end it
lee -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 11:00 p.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
Greg Stamer -- Monday, 7 February 2000, at 11:37 a.m.
I accept...
PeteWP -- Monday, 7 February 2000, at 6:12 p.m.
Re: Amazing
Mike Hanks -- Monday, 7 February 2000, at 6:31 p.m.
Re: Amazing
Pete W P -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 5:12 p.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
David -- Sunday, 13 February 2000, at 7:03 p.m.
Yes, GGGGRR.....
David Dick -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 7:28 a.m.
Re: Yes, GGGGRR.....
Ian Johnston -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 9:41 p.m.
OK, but...
David Dick -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 11:47 p.m.
Re: OK, but...
Ian Johnston -- Tuesday, 15 February 2000, at 4:03 a.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
Pete W P -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 5:19 p.m.
Re: It's Official...
Ian Johnston -- Tuesday, 15 February 2000, at 4:11 a.m.
Re: It's Official...
PeteWP -- Tuesday, 15 February 2000, at 8:47 a.m.
Re: Resistance is Futile! (no text)
Mike Hanks -- Tuesday, 15 February 2000, at 11:08 a.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
David -- Thursday, 17 February 2000, at 9:51 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Paul Lund -- Wednesday, 9 February 2000, at 8:44 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Pete W P -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 5:22 p.m.

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