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Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff

Posted By: Will Brockman
Date: Thursday, 27 January 2000, at 6:07 p.m.

In Response To: Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff (Greg Stamer)

. There are various theories of
> why this shape was used and perhaps it was a combination of factors such
> as tradition, spirituality and performance. What we do know is that the
> bifid bow, which is wide at the top and narrows to a fine point, creates a
> concave bow cross section, a very difficult shape to obtain with a skin
> covered frame.

> I would not use the word crude to describe either these kayaks or their
> makers. The Aleut kayaks are a very sophisticated design and many of their
> components (bone joints, flexible frame, bifid bow) are still a mystery
> and provide plenty of food for thought for contemporary designers.

> Greg Stamer

I agree with Greg that one needs to be judicious in the use of the words "primitive" and "crude" to describe the societies in which these designs developed. I think it's also important to resist the tendency to ascribe the design innovations to "superstition."

There was a very interesting discussion of some of these issues (but with respect to Inuit designs, not Aleut) that took place on this board in late October, I think. It's worth a look -- search the archives for "Inuit rules" during that time period and the thread will probably turn up.

--Will

Messages In This Thread

Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Pete W P -- Sunday, 23 January 2000, at 10:14 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Greg Stamer -- Tuesday, 25 January 2000, at 10:44 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Petewp -- Wednesday, 26 January 2000, at 11:21 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
petewp -- Wednesday, 26 January 2000, at 11:25 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Bram -- Wednesday, 26 January 2000, at 11:37 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Will Brockman -- Thursday, 27 January 2000, at 6:07 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Mike Hanks -- Wednesday, 26 January 2000, at 9:38 a.m.
Re: concave bows
lee -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 8:45 a.m.
Re: concave bows
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 12:28 p.m.
Re: concave bows
Mike Hanks -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 1:32 p.m.
Re: Lee's laundry
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 2:24 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Ian Johnston -- Thursday, 27 January 2000, at 1:39 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
dave hagen -- Sunday, 30 January 2000, at 12:50 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Peter WP -- Sunday, 30 January 2000, at 11:13 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 30 January 2000, at 4:02 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Pete WP -- Monday, 31 January 2000, at 6:08 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Ian Johnston -- Monday, 31 January 2000, at 9:41 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Mike Hanks -- Saturday, 5 February 2000, at 10:55 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Don Lueder -- Friday, 4 February 2000, at 4:19 p.m.
GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
PeteWP -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 9:42 a.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
The Big Legume -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 11:06 a.m.
Re: {:o)
Ian Johnston -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 12:10 p.m.
Re: Keep discussing
Mike Hanks -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 1:49 p.m.
Re: Keep discussing
Pete W P -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 5:25 p.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
Tom Kurth -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 8:28 p.m.
James Burke wouldn't end it
lee -- Sunday, 6 February 2000, at 11:00 p.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
Greg Stamer -- Monday, 7 February 2000, at 11:37 a.m.
I accept...
PeteWP -- Monday, 7 February 2000, at 6:12 p.m.
Re: Amazing
Mike Hanks -- Monday, 7 February 2000, at 6:31 p.m.
Re: Amazing
Pete W P -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 5:12 p.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
David -- Sunday, 13 February 2000, at 7:03 p.m.
Yes, GGGGRR.....
David Dick -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 7:28 a.m.
Re: Yes, GGGGRR.....
Ian Johnston -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 9:41 p.m.
OK, but...
David Dick -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 11:47 p.m.
Re: OK, but...
Ian Johnston -- Tuesday, 15 February 2000, at 4:03 a.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
Pete W P -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 5:19 p.m.
Re: It's Official...
Ian Johnston -- Tuesday, 15 February 2000, at 4:11 a.m.
Re: It's Official...
PeteWP -- Tuesday, 15 February 2000, at 8:47 a.m.
Re: Resistance is Futile! (no text)
Mike Hanks -- Tuesday, 15 February 2000, at 11:08 a.m.
Re: GGGGRRRRRROOOOAAANNNNNNNNNNNN......
David -- Thursday, 17 February 2000, at 9:51 p.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Paul Lund -- Wednesday, 9 February 2000, at 8:44 a.m.
Re: Baidarka thingamajig n stuff
Pete W P -- Monday, 14 February 2000, at 5:22 p.m.

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