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Suction and such...

Posted By: Pete W. P.
Date: Friday, 17 September 1999, at 11:42 a.m.

Hi folks,

Thought Id bring up a couple of things beneficial to an improved coefficient but never seen on a kayak. Im being layman all the way here so if I dance around the bush my apologies...

On larger ships , like oil tankers and the like they have this unusual protrusion right where the hull meets the water at the farthest tip of the bow. Looks like a ship giving birth to a submarine. I beleieve they have them on the stern too. I can pretty well guess what the advantages of it are, an extension of "boat-tailing" the hull of the ship. Aside from the uncertain probablilty that such a protrusion might be broken off a kayak on beach landings and such, wouldnt such a hull exstension actually work out beneficially for a sea kayak?

I recall a late ballistics guru [assasinated by Israeli agents] Gerald Bull who specialized in extended range artillery. One of his chief triumphs in design was his ability to fill the suction behind the fired artillery shell. As we all know, any object moving thru a medium creates pressure as it moves acroos its forward surfaces. Conversely there is a suction in the "wake" of the projectile that literally retards its forward motion. Bulls genius got around that problem by having pressurized gas "fill the vaccum" behind the speeding projectile. The result of this drag being canceled out allowed the artillery shell to go significantly farther. The grabby fingers of drag had to a great degree been neutralized.

I cant see how pressurized gas, or water would be practical on any light craft, but Bulls achievement does underscore the powerful effects that a wake of turbulence can produce in so far as a genuine suction. Perhaps this is to some degree the reason for the purpose for having a "submarine growing off the stern" of a huge ship. The bow effects are fairly obvious I'd imagine.

Pete

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Suction and such...
Pete W. P. -- Friday, 17 September 1999, at 11:42 a.m.
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lee -- Friday, 17 September 1999, at 3:34 p.m.
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David Dick -- Wednesday, 22 September 1999, at 10:33 a.m.
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Hans Friedel -- Wednesday, 22 September 1999, at 4:02 p.m.
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Pete W. P. -- Saturday, 25 September 1999, at 11:56 a.m.
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David Anderson -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 1:17 p.m.
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Mike Allen -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 3:32 p.m.
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Ross Leidy -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 4:27 p.m.
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lee -- Friday, 1 October 1999, at 7:33 p.m.
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Ian Johnston -- Saturday, 2 October 1999, at 12:39 p.m.
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David Anderson -- Thursday, 7 October 1999, at 12:19 a.m.
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Ian Johnston -- Thursday, 7 October 1999, at 2:48 a.m.
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Mike Scarborough -- Saturday, 2 October 1999, at 3:06 p.m.
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Ian Johnston -- Tuesday, 5 October 1999, at 5:03 a.m.
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Nick Schade -- Tuesday, 5 October 1999, at 9:48 a.m.
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Ian Johnston -- Tuesday, 5 October 1999, at 11:18 p.m.
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Mike Hanks -- Wednesday, 6 October 1999, at 12:12 a.m.
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Nick Schade -- Wednesday, 6 October 1999, at 10:14 a.m.
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Ian Johnston -- Friday, 8 October 1999, at 2:50 a.m.
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Nick Schade -- Friday, 8 October 1999, at 10:22 a.m.

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