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Re: Wide sterns

Posted By: Nick Schade-Guillemot Kayaks
Date: Wednesday, 19 June 2002, at 9:22 a.m.

In Response To: Re: Wide sterns (Greg Jones)

I am not completely convinced by the "longer apparent length" theory either however, just about all modern sail boats have a transom that sits in the water. While the transom is often above the waterline when the boat is upright, they get pushed in when the boat heels.

The Mariner does seem counter intuitive, and apparently intuition is correct in this case.

: Congratulations on another beautiful design!
: Your comments on the transom stern possibly making the boat “appear” longer
: is an interesting comment I’ve heard mentioned before both by baidarka
: builders and yacht designers.

: As you probably know, an extreme case of this idea was used unsuccessfully by
: the America’s cup Yacht Mariner in 1974. There’s a short and interesting
: note describing the design here:
: http://homepage.mac.com/pegis1/pages/tools.html (Scroll down to see the
: commentary).

: I’m not sure I believe the longer length argument but honestly don’t know.
: Wouldn’t it be fascinating to get your design into a towing tank and take
: some measurements… Please post an update periodically and keep us abreast
: of your testing.

: Thanks very much for sharing your work with us – a beautiful boat that
: challenges the mind. Who could ask for more?

: Cheers,

: - Greg

Messages In This Thread

Wide sterns
sam McFadden -- Saturday, 15 June 2002, at 9:03 p.m.

Re: Wide sterns
Hans Friedel -- Monday, 17 June 2002, at 1:09 a.m.

Re: Wide sterns
Sam McFadden -- Monday, 17 June 2002, at 3:57 p.m.

Re: Wide sterns *Pic*
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Monday, 17 June 2002, at 10:20 a.m.

Re: Wide sterns
Sam McFadden -- Monday, 17 June 2002, at 4:01 p.m.

Re: Wide sterns
Nick Schade - Guillemot Kayaks -- Monday, 17 June 2002, at 4:19 p.m.

Re: Wide sterns
mike allen ---> -- Monday, 17 June 2002, at 6:58 p.m.

Re: Wide sterns
Nick Schade-Guillemot Kayaks -- Tuesday, 18 June 2002, at 9:09 a.m.

Re: Wide sterns
Greg Jones -- Tuesday, 18 June 2002, at 3:30 p.m.

Mariner's legacy
Sam McFadden -- Tuesday, 18 June 2002, at 4:19 p.m.

Re: Mariner's legacy
Greg Jones -- Tuesday, 18 June 2002, at 8:48 p.m.

Re: Mariner's legacy
Sam McFadden -- Wednesday, 19 June 2002, at 12:22 a.m.

Re: Wide sterns
Nick Schade-Guillemot Kayaks -- Wednesday, 19 June 2002, at 9:22 a.m.

Re: Wide sterns
Hans Friedel -- Wednesday, 19 June 2002, at 5:12 p.m.

Re: hydrofoil
Nick Schade-Guillemot Kayaks -- Wednesday, 19 June 2002, at 7:21 p.m.

Re: hydrofoil
Hans Friedel -- Thursday, 20 June 2002, at 1:16 a.m.

Re: Wide sterns
Tapio Manner -- Thursday, 20 June 2002, at 4:29 a.m.

Re: Wide sterns
Nick Schade-Guillemot Kayaks -- Thursday, 20 June 2002, at 8:56 a.m.

Fiberglass Baidarka
Greg Jones -- Thursday, 20 June 2002, at 9:57 a.m.

Re: Fiberglass Baidarka
Tapio Manner -- Thursday, 20 June 2002, at 3:51 p.m.

Re: Fiberglass Baidarka
Bob McIlvaine -- Friday, 21 June 2002, at 11:53 a.m.

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